#12389 - 08/02/04 06:58 AM
Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
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#12391 - 08/02/04 02:30 PM
Re: Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
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Huh?
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"Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?" Yes they do!!! Allow me to quote what I have heard hundreds of times at Wendesday night prayer meetings.
" I am so glad to know this message."
But the sad part on close encounter, that which they "know" has only been the memory work of the study material of another man's mind. And all the while Gods Word in it's native purity is lying on the table side by side, with the Adventist TV GUIDE! Tell me which one laying side by side is thread bare from flipping the pages? "Huh?"
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#12393 - 08/03/04 02:53 AM
Re: Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
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If we all agree then this place would be boring.
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#12394 - 08/03/04 03:22 AM
Re: Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
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If we all agree then this place would be boring.
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I am afraid that it is not until persecutions really breaks upon the professed people of God that ones true colors will be seen. The one's not resisting any truth, will draw together and present to Satan a united front, and yes they will “all teach the same thing” at that point. “Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice
together shall they sing: for they shall see eye to eye,
when the LORD shall bring again Zion.” Chap. 52, Verse 8,
[ISA].
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#12395 - 08/03/04 03:57 AM
Re: Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
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Can't we even say we all agree that Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life? That He died for our sins, and that we may have a new life in Him?
Surely we can agree on that ... we might not agree on all the details if we tried to closely and exactingly define what all that means ... but we do agree on that much ... right?
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#12397 - 08/03/04 10:59 AM
Re: Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
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I'm thankful that Adventists don't agree on everything. I'm also thankful that some Adventists agree on some things.
I'm thankful that I'm not alone in my beliefs, but I am also thankful that there are those that challenge my beliefs.
It keeps me questioning, searching and reproving my Lord in all things.
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But Cris it is contrary to the Christian faith to have divisions among believers, heavens desire for us to “all speak the same thing”. There is no virtue in being at odds with brethren where truth is uttered.
“Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus
Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there
be no divisions among you; but [that] ye be perfectly
joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Chap. 1, Verse 10, [1CO].
“Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice
together shall they sing: for they shall see eye to eye,
when the LORD shall bring again Zion. Chap. 52, Verse 8,
[ISA].
“It is Satan's work to
mingle evil with good, and to remove the distinction between
good and evil. Christ would have a church that labors
to separate the evil from the good, whose members will not
willingly tolerate wrongdoing, but will expel it from the
heart and life. [Cf: RH 12-04-00 para. 6] p. 435, Para. 1,
[1900MS].
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#12398 - 08/03/04 05:37 PM
Re: Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
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"....joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Chap 1:10[1CO]"
...  ... see, like I said ...like minded walk together in agreement...
... when they major together on the majors and don't over stress the minors.
Except when our God majors in the minors.
Then we better follow suit!
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#12400 - 08/03/04 10:02 PM
Re: Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
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Namoni this agreeing on which day to observe will be short lived ammong SDA leadership, even laced with confusion when leading men---"The Lord has a controversy with his professed people in
these last days. In this controversy men in responsible positions
will take a course directly opposite to that pursued
by Nehemiah. They will not only ignore and despise the
Sabbath themselves, but they will try to keep it from others
by burying it beneath the rubbish of custom and tradition.
In churches and in large gatherings in the open air,
ministers will urge upon the people the necessity of keeping
the first day of the week. There are calamities on sea
and land: and these calamities will increase, one disaster
following close upon another; and the little band of conscientious
Sabbathkeepers will be pointed out as the ones
who are bringing the wrath of God upon the world by their
disregard of Sunday. [Cf: RH 03-18-84
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#12403 - 08/04/04 10:33 AM
Re: Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
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Ed; Quote:
“It is Satan's work to
mingle evil with good, and to remove the distinction between
good and evil. Christ would have a church that labors
to separate the evil from the good, whose members will not
willingly tolerate wrongdoing, but will expel it from the
heart and life. [Cf: RH 12-04-00 para. 6] p. 435, Para. 1,
[1900MS].
“Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus
Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [that] there
be no divisions among you; but [that] ye be perfectly
joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
Chap. 1, Verse 10, [1CO].
Thank you again for reminding us of the counsel we have been given. As I read your quotes my soul is moved. The counsel is hard at times. I used to say, "Surely E.G. White was speaking to someone else". I remember becoming an Adventist and purchased the Conflict Series. I read the Desire of ages and determined I would have all of her writings because anyone who could write those words must be blessed with more than that book.
I read the whole series and the Adventist Home, Christ Object Lessons, and many, many more! It wasn’t until I started reading the Testimonies that a heavy cloud of discouragement came over me. How on earth would I be able to live that kind of life? But when I added more of the Bible to balance my reading, I was able to be pulled out of the depression.
It was the same with Chronicles! I had a terrible time with that too until I became very interested in Genealogy. Now the book is so important to me.
So it has been with the SOP. Many don’t want to hear what is says. “That was all for yesteryear! That doesn’t apply to us today”. But it does. The words can be harsh and hurtful because God’s counsel can also be hard.
Your quote:
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Christ would have a church that labors
to separate the evil from the good, whose members will not
willingly tolerate wrongdoing, but will expel it from the
heart and life. [Cf: RH 12-04-00 para. 6] p. 435, Para. 1,
[1900MS].
really hit home with me. Everywhere we go evil abounds and surrounds. If I go out to eat there is alcohol and Rock music. Malls have the game rooms where all the kids hang out sharing what they have; Alcohol, Drugs, Needles, and competition. My kids want to go there the whole time! So we stay away from malls.
We, as a church and I, as an individual, have left behind so much of the counsel we have been given. This is hard to hear, but it is my prayer that I will be able to see the difference even though our churches look and act a lot like the world. This makes it hard to see sin as sin when it is so commonplace for the members. At this point change is very difficult.
Even our schools go on questionable field trips!
One day my brother-in-law and sister-in-law came to visit with their grandchildren.
I went to take a nap, got up and my grandson was in the middle of a card game. Money was on the table! They were gambling in my house!
My husband didn't see any harm. Ever since then our 7 yr old grandson has been begging for playing card to play War, Spit, and penny anti poker.
We said no; so later he started gambling with Monopoly Money and the cards we did not know he had. He was given several decks of card by our dear family who knew I did not want him having them. He was playing with my youngest son (25) and his friends! "There is nothing wrong with it"! they said. They don't care what counsel has to say about it.
We adopted 4 Eskimo’s and they all have severe Fetal Alcohol Syndrome (FAS) It is not a pretty sight to behold.
They get addicted to everything; movies, sugar, gambling, nicotine, alcohol, sleep, computers, Play Stations, and the Cube. Let us not forget smokeless tobacco and cruising! Their habits take control of their lives. So we now know our 25 yr old is gambling and our 7 yr old has great desires to do the same. All of it started by someone who was doing us a favor by showing what real boys do!
I pray we are able to stand all counsel that is given to us, no matter the cost. Yes, it is hard and it can cut like a knife! I know. I have lots of scars.
May we all agree to agree to the Bible 1st and the SOP as lesser light that leads to the greater light. May we all build our relationship with Christ through His counsel in His Word and His Prophets. He will lead us to unity and agreement as each of us read, pray and tell. Why? Because the show is about over! The end is on the way.
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#12404 - 08/04/04 02:32 PM
Re: Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
[Re: Daniel]
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Well I stand corrected, perhaps we can not agree on anything. 
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Naomi fragmentation within the ranks of Gods professed people is not by accident, IT IS a studied effort by select few within our rank & file. Satan doesn’t need to control everyone, just a few bad apples can spoil the whole barrel. Many signposts along the way pointing weerie pilgrims home have been smeared with the muddy hands of the hireling shepherds, but God will soon take the reins into His own hands and they will hear His voice and unite and present to Satan a united front. Remember at one time
“The members of the church were united in sentiment and action.
Love for Christ was the golden chain that bound them
together. They followed on to know the Lord more and still
more perfectly, and in their lives were revealed the joy
and peace of Christ. They visited the fatherless and widows
in their affliction, and kept themselves unspotted from the
world, realizing that a failure to do this would be a contradiction
of their profession and a denial of their Redeemer.
p. 579, Para. 1, [AA].
We can have that again, don’t you think?
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#12405 - 08/04/04 03:33 PM
Re: Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
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Hey To All
well to answwer this question we must 1st describe
what is an S.D.A. 1st we have S.D.A. born in to the church. 2nd we have converts. 3rd we have worldly
S.D.A. 4th we have fanatic S.D.A. plus who know
if these groups over lape at times.
so with all this in mind I will attempt
to anwser this question. Yes all these groups
believe in the sabbath and yes they all believe
in the uncleean meats and clean meats yes they beleive
that the dead are a sleep. yes most believe most of
the doctrines of they church. Some of these groups
might not understand the Sancuary or the 2300 days
prophocy messages.so yes I would say that out of all these groups that there is commend beliefs----if not then
the S.D.A. church would not exist.
Oh there is one more group the main one I believe
that is the christian S.D.A. that believe all the
bible truths plus want to follow Jesus Christ all the way.
so do S.D.A. agree on any thing------Well Yes No Maybe
but the most important thing that we should agree on
is that relationship with JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD.
then all the rest will come together.
that is my 2 cents work
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#12406 - 08/04/04 03:47 PM
Re: Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
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Way to go, Doug
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#12407 - 08/05/04 03:40 AM
Re: Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
[Re: kathyb]
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He's back !!
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#12408 - 08/05/04 06:07 PM
Re: Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
[Re: Don Platt]
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Registered: 08/19/01
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Hey Joe knapp wow are you talking about me being back???? or are you talking about you being back?????     dgrimm50
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#12409 - 08/06/04 12:48 AM
Re: Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
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Hey Joe knapp
wow are you talking about me being back????
or are you talking about you being back?????
dgrimm50
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Yes Doug welcome back, now consider saying something.
Did you miss the inspired quote I posted above where SDA leadership will introduce Sunday from the pulpits of their churches and not even be ashamed of it? Will you Doug, just lay over and agree and say, whatever?
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#12410 - 08/18/04 10:20 PM
Re: Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
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Fran that was a great post!
Can't you put those Eskimos on an Alaska Airlines flight to... the North Slope?
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#12411 - 05/01/05 05:17 PM
Preaching Sunday From Adventist Pulpits
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It's already happening, and its why whole churches have left the faith. Damascus Road Community Church is one, in Maryland. Here is the link to a discussion about it: http://www.revivalsermons.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=522
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#12412 - 05/01/05 05:54 PM
Re: Preaching Sunday From Adventist Pulpits
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I attend 3 churches near where I live and one of them is in Damascus. It is NOT DRCC though. I believe it might be the one the sabbath keepers formed (or kept) when DRCC split off and went elsewhere, but I'm not sure about all the history.
One thing I am sure about: I don't like contemporary music in worship service. I don't mind it on the car radio or in the home, but when I go to worship I want traditional music. There's another church I go to that does the traditional music (hymns & choir) but they are very "high church" and their services are very long which is hard on my back to sit through. I tried yet another church nearby, a smaller one, and the pastor is too political; it made me very uncomfortable. Ironically, the church I get "fed" at the most is this one very casual church (people come in jeans, etc.) that meets later and I can usually catch the sermon & potluck if I go after regular church. They also do contemporary music but the preaching there is so deep and Biblical and strong it makes up for it.
Since there are things I like and don't like about the 3 I usually go to, I can't settle on just one church!
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#12413 - 05/01/05 06:04 PM
Re: Preaching Sunday From Adventist Pulpits
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I can say I like to hear only flutes in church and still not understand the real issues in the end-time struggle for souls.
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#12414 - 05/01/05 06:07 PM
Re: Preaching Sunday From Adventist Pulpits
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Dennis if that was directed at me you are barking up the wrong tree. I refrain from making definitive statements about understanding "the real issues" because I am not God and I don't pretend to be God. I understand as much as He has given me to understand and beyond that I pray for more understanding if He sees fit. Sharing my musical preferences was not a bid of any sort. It was simply sharing my musical preferences. I do not believe that liking one type of music rather than another is indicative of anything but a personal preference.
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#12415 - 05/01/05 06:11 PM
Re: Preaching Sunday From Adventist Pulpits
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Yeah and its such a shame that it had nothing to do with my initial point about Adventist Churches preaching Sunday from the pulpit. But I see your point. It just seems you are always hedging up my way when I post, either skirting the issue as you did in your last post, or coming back in violent backlash against me, then claiming it is me attacking you. Do yourself a favor, STOP!!
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#12416 - 05/01/05 06:17 PM
Re: Preaching Sunday From Adventist Pulpits
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Dude, do *yourself* a favour and stop slapping everyone who gets within reach! Nico posted something relevant and interesting, and you just couldn't resist a slap. It seems as though your version of spiritual correctness *measures* your righteousness by how many enemies you have. How did people react to Jesus? How read you?
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#12417 - 05/01/05 06:26 PM
Re: Preaching Sunday From Adventist Pulpits
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I don't know what your problem is this morning, Dennis, but you can stop taking it out on me. This is an open forum. I post like others post -- on whatever thread interests me, putting in my two cents. I respond to the ideas that are offered in others' posts or whatever is sparked in my mind from reading the posts, and I don't play favorites. If something you post sparks a thought in me, I'm going to respond. Not because it's you, but because there is a post there that said something that sparked a response. You are no different in that respect than anyone else here.
Yes, sometimes I stray off topic. So does everyone else at times. But you and your persecution complex can take a hike because I am not going to carefully monitor whether I happen to be posting in a thread you have posted to, or whether my post follows yours or not. I'm going to continue doing what I do, which is enjoy the forum the way I have always done so. If I am out of line, I trust a moderator to step in and sort me out. That's what they are there for. Now kindly take your bad mood and your worse attitude and go find someone else to tell off this morning. Better yet, take your persecution complex to a competent psychiatrist and get the help you seem to need.
As for "violent backlash" I have no idea what your major maladjustment is, but I have every right to share my views and/or explain myself if you or anyone else throws a direct challenge in my face as you just did here. I have the right to respond. You, on the other hand, do not have the right to go around picking fights. Personally, the way I see it, if I acted like you did, I would not be surprised if I got asked to leave the forum. Others have been asked to leave for far less nastiness than you have perpetrated in your short time here.
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#12418 - 05/01/05 07:01 PM
Re: Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
[Re: sweettrini]
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HUH??
I noticed the latest activity on this thread....
awww..isn't that just toooooo badd??
What do you expect?? I am not surprised...I have posted it on the internet for years...
CRIME AND CLERGY CONNECTION=TRICKLE DOWN IMMORALITY
Churches are religious social clubs attended by Jer 17:9 and Rom 8:7 churchians who are hooked on religious dope and listen to NFDMTTS.
Nico..glad you found a church where someone gives a competent sermon...took me years to find one too.
Here is a bummer though....
On April 24th I posted about calling in on a Christian Radio Talk station...
well since the SS lesson was confrontation.. (Mark 7)..
I mentioned that yesterday in the class...(not mine,,,it was at another church) and instead of others joining the theme...I got flak ...
I have encountered this before...because I know there are churchian Sons of SATAN and Daughters of the Devil in the SDA church just like other churches....
and I countered the remarks, from the bible...yet I see the results of incompetent preaching and the lack of training in altruistic endeavors.
A great deception in the church is where one is fooled into thinking they have a relationship with Jesus.
Bottom line....to what is going on....
Reminds me of Proverbs where wisdom laughs at the foolishness.
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#12419 - 05/01/05 07:13 PM
Re: Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
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Vintage JimBob post, but perhaps not the most coherent... what, specifically, are you trying to say?
Is it that confrontation for its own sake is a virtue? Confrontation, sometimes, in the service of God maybe, but for example, wicklunds' confrontation above was, IMO, just for the sake of being confrontational.
Jesus used confrontation, but only as a last resort, and only against those who deemed themselves too strong/secure/righteous for any other kind of treatment.
If I'm wrong about what you were saying, I apologise, and please set me straight.
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#12420 - 05/01/05 07:53 PM
Re: Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
[Re: Billy Dennis]
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Bravus, Vintage you say??? I will release no WHINE before it's time. 
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#12421 - 05/01/05 08:03 PM
Re: Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
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Bravus,
No apology necessary...your responses have always been appropriate and or gracious.
The first part of my post was in reaction to the Richard O'fill segment on the addy for the revival org forum..
I then digressed to yesterday's experience where I mentioned about confronting a evangelical radio talk show host regarding his sensitivity on creation and his usual stance.
I didn't post the last words said. by him, to me on the radio...but they were.."Jim, you presented a very persuasive argument"...
I was taking his question .."Why isn't creation talke dabout more?" I answered him in my own way...with logic and scripture.
I mentioned some details in the main SS class and got flak ant my effort.
One was (paraphrasing)that we are known to harp about the sabbath and it is self defeating and sets a bad example....and that we should present the gospelllllllllll
The others were that basically we should not argue.
Those few comments was all that was required for me to launch into a jimbob7 rebuke.
After the class I had a few supportive comments.
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#12423 - 05/02/05 03:46 AM
Re: Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
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Okay, I think all Adventists believe that mankind has a mortal soul? When he dies nothing lives on....
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#12424 - 05/02/05 04:35 PM
Re: Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
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Robert, thank you..for being on topic...but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate all of the other posts...by others
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#12425 - 05/02/05 04:39 PM
Re: Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
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oh well WE thought it was funny, I guess ya had to be there!)
Nico..your post was more funny than the joke....
It was as if you were expecting to hear laughter while you were constructing the post and you didn't hear any...
It is like posting and asking for a show of hands for a response to a question.
Great stuff..keep it coming
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#12426 - 05/02/05 04:50 PM
Re: Do Adventists AGREE about ANYTHING?
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Re: "Okay, I think all Adventists believe that mankind has a mortal soul? When he dies nothing lives on.... "
Sorry wrong.
By the way, the SDA basic belief it that the dead, and everything associated with the dead, are unconscious.
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