#128556 - 06/07/07 01:13 AM
Re: why did you take my dad?
[Re: rudywoofs]
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Pam ... that is SO beautiful. An Amazing tribute to you Dad.
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#128603 - 06/07/07 03:16 PM
Re: why did you take my dad?
[Re: ChildOfGod4Ever]
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Hey, I would like to encourage you to keep asking God that question. Something kinda weird I've realized from my own experiences in life: eventually, He does sometimes Answer those questions in real-life ways that teach us more about Him. It's true that death will be swallowed up in the end, but Answers can come in this lifetime. Sometimes it takes months or years, but He doesn't always leave us high and dry with tears in our eyes.
Heart-breaking things have happened in my life in the past, I didn't know why, I knew God had something to do with at least allowing those things to take place... I thought He was mean for letting those things happened. But eventually, He showed me why it was so important that some of those things happened.
One question I'd like to ask you to consider: is death (the first death) always a bad thing? Is it something to be feared? Is the life of one person so tied into everyone else's lives that others can't go on without that person? And if not, then what are we all here for? My personal answer to the last question is that we all have a measure of God's Spirit within us, we all live out a part of Him in some way, and it's our choice to allow Him to live through us, to care for one another while we are still here.
But when we are gone, it's up to those who've known us to go through the grieving process, remember us with as much love as they've had for us, learn from what we've left behind, and take that knowledge and use it to better their own lives and the lives of others. I'm not saying that death is a good thing. I'm just asking if it has to be seen as a bad thing. I'm asking you to consider the idea that perhaps it's neutral and not to be feared at all costs. That maybe death is the natural end of certain choices made by people who followed their hearts, and that there can be no greater act of Living than that. This is a fantastic testimony! It is very encouraging to see the grace of God at work in hearts & lives. In gratitude, olger
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#128643 - 06/07/07 08:03 PM
Re: why did you take my dad?
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COG4E said: I'm not saying that death is a good thing. I'm just asking if it has to be seen as a bad thing. I'm asking you to consider the idea that perhaps it's neutral and not to be feared at all costs. That maybe death is the natural end of certain choices made by people who followed their hearts, and that there can be no greater act of Living than that. Yeah....sounds real good....   My father did NOT choose to die. It was NOT a great act of Living for me to decide to end his life. It was NOT some *natural event*....... It was NOT good. It was NOT neutral. Yes, God can turn such events to have redeeming qualities, but DEATH IS NOT OF GOD. And, incidentally, I do not "fear death at all costs." I realize, COG4E, that your comments were meant to be helpful. However, I am not in the mood to read the stereotypical religious bromides that come rising to the surface when someone dies. 
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#128700 - 06/08/07 01:06 AM
Re: why did you take my dad?
[Re: rudywoofs]
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Pam said: "Yes, God can turn such events to have redeeming qualities, but DEATH IS NOT OF GOD." Large midwestern Amen, og (death is not the end)
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#139397 - 09/01/07 08:02 AM
Re: why did you take my dad?
[Re: ChildOfGod4Ever]
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I'm not saying that death is a good thing. I'm just asking if it has to be seen as a bad thing. I'm asking you to consider the idea that perhaps it's neutral and not to be feared at all costs.
And devout men are taken away, while no one understands
For the righteous man is taken away from evil,
He enters into peace;
They rest in their beds,
Each one who walked in his upright way." Isaiah 57:1-3 NASB Blessings! 
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#139448 - 09/01/07 10:03 PM
Re: why did you take my dad?
[Re: LifeHiscost]
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I like that very much. Thanks for sharing that. I've read the bible through a number of times but never noticed that.
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#139740 - 09/04/07 07:04 AM
Re: why did you take my dad?
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I like that very much. Thanks for sharing that. I've read the bible through a number of times but never noticed that.
pkrause Your welcome. It was very similar in my own experience. I'm sure it has something to do with God speaking to us just at the time we need it, or possibly at the time He wishes us to give another the Word of encouragement and maybe even both. "A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver." Proverbs 25:11 KJV God bless! 
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#139757 - 09/04/07 05:39 PM
Re: why did you take my dad?
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stumbling to the cross
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LHC, that *is* a good text. Thanks. I haven't mentioned something about my dad's death - he *could* have had a full recovery. He had just taken the trash cans out to the curb for Monday morning pick-up. It was out by the street that he collapsed. It's a very busy street - one of the main thoroughfares in this part of town....cars passing along there very often, but it's only a 25 MPH speed zone. But you know what? Not one person - NO ONE - stopped to see if there was something wrong with the man lying face down in the grass by the curb. He was down for at least 10-15 minutes before one of the neighbors saw him. Sure, then 911 was called, and the paramedics got his heart going again and he could then breathe on his own after getting to the hospital, but the lapse of time beforehand had already caused irreversible brain damage. But nobody stopped to help. 
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#139857 - 09/06/07 10:29 AM
Re: why did you take my dad?
[Re: rudywoofs]
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LHC, that *is* a good text. Thanks. But nobody stopped to help. You're welcome, Rudy. Your first comment indicates that even in the worst of circumstances there are some of God's servants ready to give a helpful hand. OTOH your second comment reveals that we're still in the enemies territory. "..and (satan) saith to him, `All these to thee I will give, if falling down thou mayest bow to me.'" Matthew 4:9 YLT Brackets mine LHC The why of God's standing back while we're suffering isn't always immediately clear. More often than not, if you've met Jesus and know Him well enough, you will be able to tell more explicitely than anyone else. Whatever the case; "For no temptation (no trial regarded as enticing to sin), [no matter how it comes or where it leads] has overtaken you and laid hold on you that is not common to man [that is, no temptation or trial has come to you that is beyond human resistance and that is not adjusted and adapted and belonging to human experience, and such as man can bear]. But God is faithful [to His Word and to His compassionate nature], and He [can be trusted] not to let you be tempted and tried and assayed beyond your ability and strength of resistance and power to endure, but with the temptation He will [always] also provide the way out (the means of escape to a landing place), that you may be capable and strong and powerful to bear up under it patiently." 1 Corinthians 10:12 AMP Beyond this, remembering that God is Love and no matter how severe the trial, all the hurts that came to us here that we manage to get beyond successfully, we will be rewarded beyond our wildest expectations. Those that we stumble over, if willing to humble ourselves and let God be Sovereign, those also will be worked out to our benefit. "Now to Him Who, by (in consequence of) the [action of His] power that is at work within us, is able to [carry out His purpose and] do superabundantly, far over and above all that we [dare] ask or think [infinitely beyond our highest prayers, desires, thoughts, hopes, or dreams]--" Ephesians 3:20 AMP "And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose." Romans 8:28 NASB I know you miss your Dad, more so than the mother I miss that I never had the good fortune to know. But I also know that no burden the evil one can put upon me or you will eclipse the Light of Life, anymore than the cross could only be a meaningless symbol as some would have us believe. Keep looking up! Our Lord cometh for all those who await His return with fond expectation. "...and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath to come." 1 Thess 1:10 "'AND IT SHALL BE THAT EVERYONE WHO CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED." Acts 2:21 NASB Emphasis their's LHC Blessings!
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