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#151443 - 01/12/08 02:05 AM Re: Occasional Soundings [Re: D. Allan]
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Journey to the Center of the Soul

I've had to read some Freud lately. Not so easy going.

But Freud was writing about soul-work, and that gets lost in translation, especially by his American interpreters: where Freud used the German word for "soul," English translations changed it to "mind" or "mental" - a huge difference.

Bruno Bettelheim explains this and other translation errors and obfuscations in a little book called Freud and Man's Soul. And, regardless of your view of Freud, I primarily want to share and annotate one of the quotes from Bettelheim, because it so well describes what the spiritual journey is about:

In The Interpretation of Dreams [one of my required readings], Freud told about his arduous struggle to achieve ever greater self-awareness. In other books, he told why he felt it necessary for the rest of us to do the same. In a way, all his writings are gentle, persuasive, often brilliantly worded intimations that we, his readers, would benefit from a similar spiritual journey of self-discovery.

Like many great spiritual teachers, Freud tracked his own experience to arrive at profound new metaphors of the inner psychic structures. Then, in one brief statement, Bettelheim defines spirituality:

Freud showed us how the soul could become aware of itself.

And, then, in a complete understatement:

To become acquainted with the lowest depth of the soul - to explore whatever personal hell we may suffer from - is not an easy undertaking.

No kidding, Bruno! But he follows with this:

Freud's findings and, even more, the way he presents them to us give us the confidence that this demanding and potentially dangerous voyage of self-discovery will result in our becoming more fully human, so that we may no longer be enslaved without knowing it to the dark forces that reside in us.

True spirituality does not pull us out of life; it puts us more deeply into the world, "becoming more fully human." Thus, we can learn how to love:

By exploring and understanding the origins and the potency of these forces, we…gain a much deeper and more compassionate understanding of our fellow man.

That's a good description of the path and the goal of the spiritual journey, by whatever name you call it: the way of Jesus, or Torah; the way of Buddha or Muhammad; even the way of Freud or Jung. It is a journey to the depths of the soul, the heart of God.

Shalom,

David Hett
Minister of Religious Life and Learning

- from a blog at http://www.fcchurch.com

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#151833 - 01/14/08 05:54 PM Re: Occasional Soundings [Re: D. Allan]
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Advice to Myself

Leave the dishes.
Let the celery rot in the bottom drawer of the refrigerator
and an earthen scum harden on the kitchen floor…
…don’t worry
who uses whose toothbrush or if anything
matches, at all.
Except one word to another. Or a thought.
Pursue the authentic—decide first
what is authentic,
then go after it with all your heart.

—Louise Erdrich, from "Advice to Myself," in
Original Fire: Selected and New Poems


At the end of an hour-long inquiry with a friend of seven years, I forgot her name. It was one of the singular most powerful and meaningful experiences of my life.

I used to pride myself on remembering peoples' names, and spent a great deal of time in conversations firming up in my mind the name of a new acquaintance. Correspondingly, I also used to severely beat myself whenever forgetting or mistaking someone's name. But with age, the brain synapses have slowed, I forget or mistake names more often, punish myself lightly and forgive myself easily. But this summer retreat incident was of a different order.

The irony of this exercise with my friend was that we were inquiring into our "social skills," focusing on how those have played out in our own relationship, and how they were playing out right in that exercise! We fostered such an open and honest discussion that we became quite vulnerable to each other, miracle enough in itself.

And then, at one moment near the end of the exercise, I looked her in the eyes and realized that I could not, for the life of me, remember her name. Usually, I would let this embarrassing "lapse" pass by without comment, but we were fully open and engaged in that moment; since this was arising in my experience, I decided to share it. I told her, "You know, it's amazing, I've just forgotten your name!"

There was no way I could have expected her response. She was delighted, even thrilled: "Wow, that is so great! It's like all the superficial identity has dissolved, and now we are just two humans of Being sitting here."

That was indeed true. And it was truly beautiful. Go figure.

Recycle the mail, don't read it, don't read anything
except what destroys
the insulation between yourself and your experience
or what pulls down or what strikes at or what shatters
this ruse you call necessity.



Shalom,

David Hett
Minister of Religious Life and Learning

- from a blog at http://www.fcchurch.com

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#152372 - 01/19/08 01:59 AM Re: Occasional Soundings [Re: D. Allan]
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Religionless Christianity

Paul often gets a bad rap, but I am convinced he was redefining religion. Rather than trying to create a new religion, he basically states outright that becoming a Jew, staying a Pagan, even becoming a Christian, does not in the end, matter.

He wrote his letter to the Galatians as a diatribe against those trying to tell pagans that to follow Jesus they must be circumcised. But then he ends it by wiping out his entire argument: For neither is circumcision anything nor is uncircumcision anything. What is something is the new creation (Galatians 6:15).

The New Creation is a community of love, and for Paul it replaces paganism and Judaism - and Christianity, for that matter. For Paul, the "new humanity" (Galatians 3:28) are those who serve one another in a community of mutual concern - the "new creation." Scholar Ernst Kaseman once commented, "God, according to Paul, does not want more religion, or more religiosity." Rather, where love is, there is God.

The philosopher Richard Rorty died this summer. He was an atheist (although the grandson of the founder of the Christian social justice movement), but his philosophy embraced this same truth: "My sense of the holy," he said, "is bound up with the hope that some day my remote descendants will live in a global civilization in which love is pretty much the only law." As Paul knew, love transcends religion.

Dietrich Bonhoeffer believed we were moving toward a "religionless Christianity." Unfortunately, he had no time to articulate his vision before his execution by the Nazis in 1945, only concluding, "It is something I am thinking about a great deal."

John Spong has been thinking about it for a long time, and credits Bonhoeffer for the focus of his newest work, Jesus for the Non-Religious. "Being a Christian...in Bonhoeffer's words, is not to be a religious human being; it is to be a whole human being...Jesus was not divine because he was a human life into whom the external God had entered, as traditional Christology has claimed."

For me, too, Jesus discovered his divinity by becoming fully human. To become fully human is the Way. To be fully human is to discover that we, and all humans - and the entire creation, for that matter - are made out of Love, and constantly held in that same Love.

Shalom,

David Hett
Minister of Religious Life and Learning

- from a blog at http://www.fcchurch.com

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#153046 - 01/23/08 09:18 PM Re: Occasional Soundings [Re: D. Allan]
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God Likes Variety

– The Reverend Dr. Richard A. Wing, Senior Minister

“God likes variety,” I said as if I knew what I was talking about. Someone asked, “How do you know that?” I said, “I have six children who came from God, and trust me, God likes variety.”
I am convinced that most talk about diversity today comes from people’s heads and not their hearts. We buy into it as a “great idea,” but look around you: we are drawn automatically to people most like us. We like likeness. We are most comfortable with likeness.
Here comes Scott E. Page, Professor of Complex Systems at the University of Michigan. He is a scientist, and so he doesn’t ask questions like “why can’t we all just get along?” Instead, he asks, “How can we all be more productive together?” The answer he says is in “messy, creative organizations and environments with individuals from vastly different backgrounds and life experiences.”
Dr. Page and others discovered that diverse groups of problem solvers outperformed the groups of bright-but-similar individuals at solving problems. The reason: the diverse groups got stuck less often than the smart individuals, who tended to think similarly. Do you remember the general in the Second World War who said, “If we both agree on everything, then one of us is unnecessary.”
Dr. Page concludes: collective accuracy = average accuracy + diversity.
When Hopi Indian youth were given an IQ test, the instructor put the youth in a private room and started the clock going. Immediately, they all formed a circle and started working on the problems together. The instructor said, “Oh no, you have to do it individually.” They did not understand the concept. The youth told the instructor, “What we know individually is not important; what we can do together is.”

True for work.
True for play.
True for the Kingdom of God.
True for this church.

Peace to you,

Dick

- from the church newletter at - http://www.fcchurch.com

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#155276 - 02/04/08 07:41 PM Re: Occasional Soundings [Re: D. Allan]
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Everyday Mystics

We are all potential mystics, so perhaps 2008 can be a year to hone our mystical instincts.

Paul Laughlin points to the fact that "the only thoroughgoing non-mystics, if such people exist, would be people who live purely superficial lives in a vapid flatland of everydayness and ordinariness, blithely unaware of any depth dimension to human existence."

"Even common experiences may provide mystical moments spontaneously and without being recognized as such," writes Dr. Laughlin, from Otterbein College in his article A Mystical Christian Credo.

After Easter, Grey Austin will be leading discussions about Paul Laughlin's Mystic Credo in a Sunday morning seminar series.

I believe that each and every moment of our lives is mystical because each moment - all of life - continually arises out of the Divine Source. If a mystic is someone who directly accesses the divine in the midst of human experience, then we all have the mystic capacity.

On the other end of the mystical spectrum, physicist Brian Swimme points to the projected image of the Rosette Nebula at a conference, and proclaims, "Here is the sacred."

The Rosette Nebula is a 4 million-year-old cluster of sparkling young stars that blend together to form a beautiful fuchsia-colored rose in full bloom. Outer space, according to Brian Swimme, is humanity's ground of being - the setting where subatomic waves and particles and combinations of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen began to bring forth bacteria, rocks, water dinosaurs, butterflies, roses, mountains, fleas, frogs, hummingbirds, and humans some 13.7 billion years ago.

Like a true mystic, Swimme reconnects science, the earth, and the cosmos back to the human, and thus divine, experience, concluding, "The incredible thing is now we know that the stars actually gave birth to us…whatever we are is somehow a further development of what the star is."

In a quip to his audience, Swimme makes the mystic's point: "It's hard to believe that 13.7 billion years of creation has come down to people spending all their time at the mall."

Brian Swimme will be our Spiritual Searcher the weekend of June 13 and 14.

In between, there are many ways to consciously practice mysticism, from prayer and meditation, to quiet walks outside, to a deepened connection with a friend - all you really have to do is be the human of Being that you are.

Shalom,

David Hett
Minister of Religious Life and Learning

- from a blog at http://www.fcchurch.com

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#156974 - 02/16/08 01:34 AM Re: Occasional Soundings [Re: D. Allan]
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Did Jesus Have to Die in Order for God to Feel Good About You?

"There is a thought that has meandered through Christian history that I have never bought. It is the substitutionary doctrine. This doctrine says that Jesus needed to suffer on the cross for your sins and mine in order to get rid of God's anger about us messing up so much.

"Let me say this about that:

"I never bought into this doctrine - even as a child. It never made sense, even in 3rd grade.
Any fool knows that it is immoral, illegal, and sick for a parent to kill his kid. Amazing that we are asked to praise God for doing something that would land any human in jail for life!
Jesus showed us what God is like. Jesus threw out bookkeeping religion forever and showed us the heart of God for the human family is one of accepted tenderness.
Read James Alison’s book Undergoing God. Alison says of the substitutionary doctrine: "You’ve all got it the wrong way round. It is human beings who are angry and demand (appeasement). By letting himself be put on the cross, God is declaring that the whole system never made sense (in the first place)."
God is saying that to desire appeasement is not a way for humans to live and that is not what God wants. "What God offers," says Alison, "is forgiveness" - which immediately leads to a new relationship.

Jesus came to us as an answer to God's bad reputation. God is not amused when represented as vindictive and judgmental, when indeed, God is long suffering, forgiving, and will never let us go.

"Lent is a season of seeking the truth about God that gets temporarily hidden under human misrepresentations."

Peace to your Lenten path,

Dr. Richard A. Wing
Senior Minister

- from a blog at http://www.fcchurch.com

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#157042 - 02/16/08 02:11 PM Re: Occasional Soundings [Re: D. Allan]
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First, we have the conclusion that God made a "mistake" in the first place.

Nay, "But the plans of the LORD stand firm forever, the purposes of his heart through all generations."


Secondly, while it may seem interesting to speculate about ways to tunnel under the curtain, God has drawn the curtain aside in the Great Controversy.


Thanks,

oG

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#157069 - 02/16/08 04:47 PM Re: Occasional Soundings [Re: D. Allan]
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I have never looked at it that way. Doesn't Paul say that the wages of sin is death. So Jesus (God) need to pay for our sins. I don't think that that made God's anger for us go away. I believe that God was very sad that that had to happen. At least that is how I see it. But I understand what your saying. Very interesting thought.

pkrause

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#157082 - 02/16/08 05:12 PM Re: Occasional Soundings [Re: olger]
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Of the five theories of atonement, the cross as sacrifice, victory, penal substitution or as moral example, Dr. Wing seems to believe in the last one. Moral example:
 Quote:
The cross as a moral example
Moral influence theories or exemplary theories comprise a fourth category used to explain the atonement. They emphasise God's love expressed through the life and death of Jesus.

Christ accepted a difficult and undeserved death. This demonstration of love in turn moves us to repent and re-unites us with God. Peter Abelard (1079-1142) is associated with this theory. He wrote:

"The Son of God took our nature, and in it took upon himself to teach us by both word and example even to the point of death, thus binding us to himself through love." -Peter Abelard

Abelard's theory and the call to the individual to respond to Christ's death with love continues to have popular appeal today.

"...Our redemption through the suffering of Christ is that deeper love within us which not only frees us from slavery to sin, but also secures for us the true liberty of the children of God, in order that we might do all things out of love rather than out of fear - love for him that has shown us such grace that no greater can be found." -Peter Abelard -source http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/beliefs/whydidjesusdie_2.shtml


*****************

Here is an explanation which seems to be more in line with a view of the character of God that most Christians embrace. It is from a talk by Jeffrey John. One can read it or hear it at http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/beliefs/whydidjesusdie_3.shtml
 Quote:
The cross, then, is not about Jesus reconciling an angry God to us; it's almost the opposite. It's about a totally loving God, incarnate in Christ, reconciling us to him. On the cross Jesus dies for our sins; the price of our sin is paid; but it is not paid to God but by God. As St paul says, God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself. Because he is Love, God does what Love does: He unites himself with the beloved. He enters his own creation and goes to the bottom line for us. Not sending a substitute to vent his punishment on, but going himself to the bitter end, sharing in the worst of suffering and grief that life can throw at us, and finally sharing our death, so that he can bring us through death to life in him.

There's a song by Sidney Carter which ironically sums up our misunderstanding of the cross, in the words of the impenitent thief:

"It was on a Friday morning when they took me from the
cell,
And I saw they had a carpenter to crucify as well
Well: you can blame it on Pilate, you can blame
it on the Jews
You can blame it on the Devil - but it's God that
I accuse;
It's God they ought to crucify instead of you and
me -
I said to the Carpenter a-hanging on the tree."


Like the impenitent thief, we too can be so fixated on our picture of the punishing God of power we imagine up in heaven, we can't grasp he's really down here, bleeding and dying at our side.

The most powerful illustration of this I know comes not from a Christian writer but a Jew, Elie Wiesel, the holocaust survivor and Nobel prize winner, who described his experience of Auschwitz in a famous book called Night. In the face of so much horror and evil many lost their faith; yet for a few it became, paradoxically, a new realisation of God's closeness to them. In one harrowing passage Wiesel tells how a young boy was punished by the guards for stealing food. He was hanged on piano wire, while all the other prisoners were forced to watch:

For more than half an hour the boy stayed there, struggling between life and death, dying in slow agony before our eyes. We were all forced to pass in front of him, but not allowed to look down or avert our eyes, on pain of being hanged ourselves. When I passed in front of him, the child's tongue was still red, his eyes not yet glazed. Behind me a man muttered, 'Where is your God now'? And I heard a voice within me answer him, 'Where is he? Here He is. He is hanging here on this gallows'.
For me - if not for Ellie Wiesel - this above all is the meaning of the Cross: that God is one with us in our sufferings, and not just 2000 years ago but through all time.

On the cross God absorbs into himself our falleness and its consequences and offers us a new relationship. God shows he knows what it's like to be the loser; God hurts and weeps and bleeds and dies. It's a mystery we can hardly glimpse, let alone grasp; and if there is an answer to the problem of suffering, perhaps it's one for the heart, not the reason. Because the answer God's given is simply himself; to show that, so far from inflicting suffering as a punishment, he bears our griefs and shares our sorrow. From Good Friday on, God is no longer "God up there", inscrutably allotting rewards and retributions. On the Cross, even more than in the crib, he is Immanuel, God down here, God with us. -Jeffery John

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#157086 - 02/16/08 05:23 PM Re: Occasional Soundings [Re: pkrause]
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 Originally Posted By: pkrause
I have never looked at it that way. Doesn't Paul say that the wages of sin is death. So Jesus (God) need to pay for our sins. I don't think that that made God's anger for us go away. I believe that God was very sad that that had to happen. At least that is how I see it. But I understand what your saying. Very interesting thought.

pkrause


Thanks for your comments, pkrause. I see the 'angriness' of God as merely an anthropomorphic attribution. The idea of God suffering with us, as stated by Jeffery John seems more true to the character of God, to me.

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