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#155106 - 02/03/08 06:27 PM Consistency questions
truthseeker007 Online   content


Registered: 12/15/07
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Well Lord i ll give you some tough ones i hope you can answer:

1. Jesus said that the standards whereby you will be judged will be decided by the way a person judge others. Ellen White told others to be perfectly obedient, to abstain from certain foods etc etc. But she made all the human mistakes a normal person makes. She ate meat etc etc. This seems quite hypocritical. According to her own standards should she go to hell?if no, why not?

2. Ellen White warned about people who would try to change her messages. How do I explain people that Ellen White received visions from God while she used other sources? I know that plagiarism at that time was a normal thing to do, but shouldn t she foresaw that that would become a problem? Do you mind if i would only hold on to the big issues in adventism and told people to say that a lot of what Ellen White wrote were just personal feelings. I hate the idea of a pope, Jesus is the only shepherd.

3. Do you think that by saying what i am thinking right now i am a hypocrit as well? I never claimed to be a true prophet and i will never say that i am perfect, or ever become perfect. My intentions are clearly, to lead people into the whole truth. Something that can only be done if the holy spirit presents me the truth.

4. Why are you always receiving 7 s as a mark from me and never 10s? I mean you did some bad things when you ordered Isreal to kill women and children, but you compensate it with the beautiful things you create and the love that was manifested at the cross.

5. wouldn t it be a lot easier to save people if you gave some people the gift of healing?The whole world would lay at your feet of course not because they loved you but because they see personal profit in it.

6. I hate life, am i unthankfull?

7. In your judgement do you also reveal all of the chemical reactions and their influence on ones behaviour as well as other analyses?

8. How come, i always come up with stupid questions like these? i am angry and i don t know why.

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#155126 - 02/03/08 09:12 PM Re: Consistency questions [Re: truthseeker007]
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She ate meat etc etc. This seems quite hypocritical. According to her own standards should she go to hell?if no, why not?


I will try to answer this in a number of ways Seeker.

One is that scripture is clear ... we are not saved by what we eat or drink.

Another is ... Are you sure that she ate meat? If you look at what she said below ... it would not condemn her to hell ... but it would discount her testimony.

 Quote:
"Let not any of our ministers set an evil example in the eating of flesh-meat. Let them and their families live up to the light of health reform. Let not our ministers animalize their own nature and the nature of their children." C.D. 400


 Quote:
"No man should be set apart as a teacher of the people while his own teaching or example contradicts the testimony God has given His servants to bear in regard to diet, for this will bring confusion. His disregard of health reform unfits him to stand as the Lord's messenger ." C.D. 453
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#155131 - 02/03/08 09:44 PM Re: Consistency questions [Re: truthseeker007]
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How come, i always come up with stupid questions like these? i am angry and i don t know why.


Let me ask you this. What will you have that you don't have now if you have the answers to your questions?
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#155132 - 02/03/08 09:58 PM Re: Consistency questions [Re: cardw]
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Dear friends

We have the ones especialized in the EGW ministry who are used to address all this kinds of objections. Why don't you resort to the EGW Estate? I think the address can be found in the official SDA webpage, http://www.adventist.org

I think they will gladly answer all these questions.

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#155138 - 02/03/08 10:11 PM Re: Consistency questions [Re: A_G_Brito]
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It would be much more fun to talk about it here. After all ... that IS why we come here. To TALK.
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#155161 - 02/03/08 11:36 PM Re: Consistency questions [Re: Redwood]
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Ellen white never pretended to be perfect. She was a 17 yr old girl when God gave her a message from Him. She was a Christian at the time, but much about health that the world knows now was not known then. It was a gradual process for her to learn about health God gave her a message regarding diet and other health related issues and it was not easy for her to accept at the time. In fact she had a hard time to give up meat. She did however and I dont beleive she was eating meat at all in the last part of her life. Ellen White is not the one we need to follow. Jesus is, However it is for our best good that God gave us the knowledge we have through her. Almost everything that she wrote about diet is now general knowledge. In fact, most of the medical profession will agree with the fact that we would be much better off eating
fruits, veg. whole grains and nuts and not red meat or any meat at all. It has also become widely known that meat eating contributes to cancer and heart disease deaths. I just read some about that on a
news page.
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#155163 - 02/03/08 11:41 PM Re: Consistency questions [Re: Nightingale]
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She did however and I dont beleive she was eating meat at all in the last part of her life.


Do you happen to know the date of that? The reason is that according to her own words ... the words of someone eating meat should not listened to because they would not be a fit messenger.
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#155166 - 02/03/08 11:50 PM Re: Consistency questions [Re: Nightingale]
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I would say to you Truthseeker, that if you really want to find the truth and I beleive you do, read the Bible and pray and ask the Lord to show you the truth. Only you can know whether or not you are really seeking Gods truth. Dont worry about what
you see others doing. Dont compare yourself with others. Jesus is our only example. EGW is not our example. I beleive that what she wrote is from God. I dont worry about whether she wrote what others wrote. Others wrote all kinds of things, she still had to choose what to write. Those who are truly looking for truth will be lead to it by God who loves everyone and knows their hearts. God bless you.
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#155181 - 02/04/08 01:01 AM Re: Consistency questions [Re: Nightingale]
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Seeker, as someone who has wasted many years concentrating on the negatives in life, I can assure you that it is far better to focus on the good things. Philipians 4:4-8;13 tells us to be thankful in all situations and to meditate on good things. For a long time, I could not understand how I could be happy when bad things happen. Then I realized that God is in control. He allows bad things to happen for good reasons. We may not understand the reasons at the time, but they are there. This is why we should rejoice no matter what we are going through. God is holding our hands. This is why we should begin our prayers during times of strife with "Lord I praise your Name because I know you are in control of this situation and You have my best interests in mind." This simple prayer will ease your mind and allow you to focus so you can, with Jesus' strength, get through the all trials. I will pray for you, my friend in Christ for I know the demon of depression. I don't know what your situation is, but pain is pain. I sense you are a deep thinker as I am. But I caution you my friend, if you think on negative things without balancing your thoughts with Positive ones, you will go insane. So take all your cares and thoughts and lay them at the feet of Jesus. He was tempted in all ways we are so He will understand. Keep the faith. Seek His Presence each and every day when you wake up and He will guide you. Our denomination is flawed but it holds the all the Truths from God's Holy Word. Always seek out the good in all things and all people. Contact me anytime if you want to chat. I will not judge..only listen. God Bless.
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#155190 - 02/04/08 01:56 AM Re: Consistency questions [Re: larryd]
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Redwood, Here is a quote to answer your question regarding EGW and meat eating. "But since the Lord presented to me ,in June, 1863, the subject of meat eating in relation to health, I have left the use of meat. For a while it was rather difficult to bring my appetite to bread, for which, formerly, I have had but little relish. But by perserving. I have been able to do this. I have lived for nearly one year without meat." Written in August 1864. Do you agree that truth is progressive? This was entirely new truth to people in that time.
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