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#155670 - 02/07/08 01:28 AM Re: Consistency questions [Re: Male Man]
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You can't be a serious student of Ellen White and declare that meat eating is not a sin. She says in the quote above that you can't have your prayers answered if you eat meat. She says that it has a harmful affect on the soul. She says that before we can stand before God ... we will have to have victory over this appetite. All that to me says it is SIN.


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"Those who have received instruction regarding the evils of the use of flesh foods...will not continue to indulge their appetite for food that they know to be unhealthful. God demands that the appetites be cleansed, and that self-denial be practiced in regard to those things which are not good. This is a work that will have to be done before His people can stand before Him a perfected people." 9T 153.

"Is it not time that all should aim to dispense with flesh foods? How can those who are seeking to become pure, refined, and holy, that they may have the companionship of heavenly angels, continue to use as food anything that has so harmful an effect on soul and body?" MH 317


She indicates meat eating causes multiple diseases and that to be sick is a sin. Not hard to connect the dots.


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#155671 - 02/07/08 01:37 AM Re: Consistency questions [Re: Male Man]
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Also she nor the bible has ever said it was a sin to eat meat. We will not be judged on whether we eat meat or not but on our attitude towards health reform.


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"It is a sin in the sight of Heaven to have such food." 2T 373
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#155672 - 02/07/08 01:38 AM Re: Consistency questions [Re: Redwood]
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 Originally Posted By: Redwood
You can't be a serious student of Ellen White and declare that meat eating is not a sin. She says in the quote above that you can't have your prayers answered if you eat meat. She says that it has a harmful affect on the soul. She says that before we can stand before God ... we will have to have victory over this appetite. All that to me says it is SIN.


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"Those who have received instruction regarding the evils of the use of flesh foods...will not continue to indulge their appetite for food that they know to be unhealthful. God demands that the appetites be cleansed, and that self-denial be practiced in regard to those things which are not good. This is a work that will have to be done before His people can stand before Him a perfected people." 9T 153.

"Is it not time that all should aim to dispense with flesh foods? How can those who are seeking to become pure, refined, and holy, that they may have the companionship of heavenly angels, continue to use as food anything that has so harmful an effect on soul and body?"


She indicates meat eating causes multiple diseases and that to be sick is a sin. Not hard to connect the dots.


The principle: "To him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin."

And, "Whatsoever is not of faith is sin."

God judges us according to our light. If I study and come to the conclusion that God's will is for me to stop all eating of animal flesh or animal products, but then I keep on eating it, then it would certainly be sin for me. But God doesn't condemn those who eat meat either because there's no other way to gain the nutrients their bodies need or because they know nothing about "health reform." There was a while when Ellen White thought Pig's meat was healthy. God obviously did not hold Ellen White responsible for the sin of eating it when she was unaware that it was wrong to do so. God treats intentional sin differently than he treats sins done in ignorance. He obviously holds SDAs responsible in a way He does not hold the average man in the street who has never heard of health reform or of what the Bible teaches on the subject.

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#155673 - 02/07/08 01:42 AM Re: Consistency questions [Re: John317]
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Since Ellen White ate meat most all her life ... I am sure she was very busy repenting.
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#155698 - 02/07/08 05:24 AM Re: Consistency questions [Re: Redwood]
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Aside from what Ellen White might have said and done with meat. I don't believe eating it is a sin. I also don't feel that meat eating is a deal breaker with God on who will or won't atain salvation. That is our free gift to accept or reject. There are no conditions placed on that free gift.

Let us repent the real sins of our lives and not worry about the things we eat.
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#155705 - 02/07/08 05:51 AM Re: Consistency questions [Re: Amelia]
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There are many people on this planet who must eat "meat" to survive. Do a little searching and you will find that EGW would not condemn those people. Sin? Not likely

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#155706 - 02/07/08 06:07 AM Re: Consistency questions [Re: melvin mccarty]
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The heath message is about doing what it takes to be healthier..

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#155754 - 02/07/08 05:28 PM Re: Consistency questions [Re: Stan Jensen]
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Thank you all for your contributions. I think that these small issues are very important because these little issues are the main reasons that non adventists believe we are legalistic. Personally i think it would be better if ellen nuanced some of her issues by presenting them as precepts rather than rules. I hate these small issues because they are always tied to salvation according to ellen whereas the bible warns against people that place burdens on other people in the name of Christ unnecessarily. Nowadays scientific research revealed that there is a strong connection between eating meat and getting cancer. My conclusion is that ellen white was right about the danger of meat, but that this should not be tied to salvation. But if i say this, according to ellen white i am working for the devil because i am changing her message. I still believe we should approach this functionally. And i also believe ellen is a hypocryte on this issue. Is it really so hard to give up eating meat? Well we all have our personal struggles. I am struggling with testosteron and think this is much harder because we were somehow made to multiply. Anyway..enough said.
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#155755 - 02/07/08 05:35 PM Re: Consistency questions [Re: truthseeker007]
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And i also believe ellen is a hypocryte on this issue


Oh. I think this is clearly true. But I would also point out that if we view her correctly ... it should not matter.

And BTW ... we are all hypocrites.
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#155756 - 02/07/08 05:43 PM Re: Consistency questions [Re: Redwood]
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"we are all hypocrites"
Definitely true! Especially me!
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