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#162046 - 03/18/08 11:06 PM Re: Don't know what to do... [Re: giselle831]
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Look Giselle i am going to be honest with you. Millions of people pray everyday for food and curing of deseases. It is God s policy to ignore those prayers so in the end he can present himself as the righteous one. All the troubles in the world are the result of God s passivity. So for solutions of problems in your life, you should look inside. God is not going to help you. If you even think about getting divorced, there must be something wrong already. I think it would be better to divorce, unless your husband is willing to change radically on your conditions. Good luck with your struggle

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#162048 - 03/18/08 11:27 PM Re: Don't know what to do... [Re: truthseeker007]
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 Originally Posted By: truthseeker007
...It is God s policy to ignore those prayers so in the end he can present himself as the righteous one. All the troubles in the world are the result of God s passivity. ...God is not going to help you....


If what you say is the truth, how is God going to present Himself as righteous? It seems to me that if you are right here, God is a liar and selfish, not righteous or loving at all. I doubt this is the picture you have of God or the one you want to portray, though.
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#162054 - 03/19/08 12:04 AM Re: Don't know what to do... [Re: giselle831]
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Neil, thank you for that knock in the head, so to speak


If you EVER need a "head knocker" Neil is your man. You can count on him.

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However, my prayers have been answered and I heard Him tell me to just talk to my man. And that's what I did. We have still a rocky road ahead, but we are committed to one another and we're going to make it work.


PRAISE GOD. This is the best news possible. But this is just the beginning also. I pray that you will continue to do as you have learned .. GO TO YOUR MAN. Work it out. And then repeat as needed .
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#162154 - 03/19/08 05:06 PM Re: Don't know what to do... [Re: truthseeker007]
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Is that REALLY what you think of God? That's not what I think. I know He answers prayers because He has answered mine.

The devil is a liar, and somehow we have let him in our home. But I know better, I know that I need to run to God to show me the truth and to come into my heart as well as my husband's so that we can work this out. Yes I thought a divorce would solve my 'problems', but if I don't change what's going on INSIDE of me, then I will have the same problems with the next man who comes along. We both have to make changes as ask the Holy Spirit to help us.

The troubles of the world is whole other topic that should perhaps be discussed in another thread.

Thank you for your insight.

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#162155 - 03/19/08 05:08 PM Re: Don't know what to do... [Re: Redwood]
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[/quote]PRAISE GOD. This is the best news possible. But this is just the beginning also. I pray that you will continue to do as you have learned .. GO TO YOUR MAN. Work it out. And then repeat as needed .[/quote]

Thank you Redwood! I am very excited! However, Satan is still trying to rip us apart. He's working hard, but we have to overcome! Thank you all so much for your prayers.

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#162157 - 03/19/08 05:19 PM Re: Don't know what to do... [Re: giselle831]
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And the prayers will continue. For it is a battle.
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#162170 - 03/19/08 07:29 PM Re: Don't know what to do... [Re: Redwood]
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"If what you say is the truth, how is God going to present Himself as righteous?"

I have thought a lot about this. I think we should just accept the fact that as long as we live we are also bound by the consequences of a sinfull world. We are not supposed to live happy lives and then live happy in the other life. We are supposed to lose our lives because we are not from this world. The bible has many verses that illustrate that God withdraws his presence from the world and gives the people of the world the desires that have their origin in a sinfull heart. The SDA church has the endtime message but somehow they think they can play 'good church bad church' without doing the job they are actually supposed to do and still think that God should bless them on their little stupid problems.

Millions of people die of deseases, hunger, wars etc. They pray a lot and still die. Do you think he wants them to die? I think he is able to stop it and also willing, but for the eventual purpose it is better that he withdraws his miraculous presence. Face it, life is supposed to be bitter as hell, but the outcome will be fantastic. We should just accept the fact that God let things unfold the way he wants them to. Does that make God bad? I ve never heard any complaints about the fact that Jesus went down to this earth to die for your sins. What did Jesus say to the man who wanted to protect him from getting captured? He called him satan because his mind was focused on this world and not on heavenly things.

So get over it, we are supposed to live a hard life just as the rest of us. Otherwise it wouldn t be fair. Think about it, if God fullfills all the desires of 'his' people (SDA church), then how would that be fair, relativating it to the terrible things that happen in the world. The SDA church is such a miserable movement, they don t have their plans fixed on heavenly things. Soon troubles break out, and they ll get confused because they thought they could live the life they wanted. Every church movement has been accompanied by terrible wars and destruction, but the last one will be the most severe. That s probably the reason God works with a plague system in this time period.

So even if God withdraws his attention from this earth and ignores the prayers of the ones who desparately seek him, he can still be righteous. DOesn t the bible say that the pain a woman gets when she gets her child is the result of sin? But also that when the child is born she is happy? That s how we are supposed to live in the world. If you want support, you should ask help from your fellow Christians. Life is tough, but once the painfull part is over, you ll be glad you made it. So every terrible thing that happens in the world is the result of sin, blame sin, not God.

This might be uncomfortable to read, but it is plain truth.

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#162182 - 03/19/08 11:06 PM Re: Don't know what to do... [Re: truthseeker007]
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No doubt ... we are called to endure pain. I know just a little about that subject. But, I believe that praying while it doesn't change God ... it does change us. It gives us focus. It inspires us. And in the end ... prayer will help us to answer our own prayer. Prayer ... or communion with God ... can only do good to focus our thoughts on God and a good solution for problems.
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#162339 - 03/21/08 10:39 PM Re: Don't know what to do... [Re: Redwood]
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yes Redwood i agree with you. Prayer can give you new insights. We are both losers. This is what my life looks like;
i wake up and i say to myself 'what am i doing here?'. Then i study, watch some tv and go to sleep.

As a child i asked God to raise me so i would not become a terrible person. Now there is not one sin i did not commit unabundantly. The killings of course in my heart, it manifestated itself in violence. All the other commandments i have broken a couple of thousand times.

I asked for a sport career. I got depressed and now i am too late

I asked for help with my study. Now i have lost many years because of my faith

I asked for many friends. Now i have 0.

I asked for God his presence but it remains quiet on the other end of the phone

All these things make me wonder, how come God doesn t help me? And then i think to myself, in this world, we are all on the same boat. It wouldn t be fair for God if he helped me while others are dying all around me.

SO i have decided to change the world in Luther style. We have a lot in common, he also was very depressed but knew exactly what to do at the right time. There is one method to fix all of the prophecy issues. No personal interpretation, only biblical interpretations like the bible tells us, should fill in the puzzle of truth.

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#162340 - 03/21/08 10:42 PM Re: Don't know what to do... [Re: truthseeker007]
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of course the list is way longer than i expressed above. lost my girlfriend, troubled relationship with parents, no contact with family (they hate me) etc etc.

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