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#162187 - 03/20/08 01:19 AM 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day *****
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'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day

WorldNetDaily, March 16, 2008

Two thousand years after Jesus walked the Earth, Christians are at war with each other concerning--as strange as it may sound--a day of the week mentioned in the Ten commandments.

The issue boils down to: "When is God's Sabbath?" In other words, what is His holy day of rest? Many Christians today think it's Sunday, when the majority of churches hold services. But other confidently say it's Saturday, calling Sunday worship "the most flagrant error of mainstream Christianity," believing Sunday-keepers are victims of clever deception.

Some high-profile evangelical pastors such as California's Greg Lurie say it's simply "wrong to set Saturday apart as a special day for worwhip."

See the rest of the article: [url=www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57978]Sabbath vs. Sunday[/url]

Suzanne

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#162193 - 03/20/08 03:57 AM Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day [Re: Suzanne Sutton]
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hmmmm



thanks

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#162211 - 03/20/08 09:51 AM Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day [Re: olger]
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HEY SUZANNE

well this is interesting but it shows you how
the devil can confuse GOD'S truths.

dgrimm60

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#162226 - 03/20/08 03:23 PM Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day [Re: dgrimm60]
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I often find that news site, worldnetdaily.com, often, in my opinion, overstates issues.

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#162549 - 03/22/08 10:44 PM Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day [Re: Suzanne Sutton]
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Oh boy...both sides have it wrong! There's nothing in the 4th commandment about worship! Nothing.
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#162572 - 03/23/08 12:57 AM Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day [Re: Robert]
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 Originally Posted By: Robert
Oh boy...both sides have it wrong! There's nothing in the 4th commandment about worship! Nothing.


And when the believer is contemplating God's creation and praising His redemptive act symbolized by the Sabbath, what do you think he is doing?

Gerry

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#162584 - 03/23/08 02:25 AM Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day [Re: Gerry Cabalo]
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 Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo
 Originally Posted By: Robert
Oh boy...both sides have it wrong! There's nothing in the 4th commandment about worship! Nothing.


And when the believer is contemplating God's creation and praising His redemptive act symbolized by the Sabbath, what do you think he is doing?

Gerry
Like I said, there's no mention of worship. You are making it up!
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#162598 - 03/23/08 05:39 AM Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day [Re: Suzanne Sutton]
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Here is a better link: 'Deception': Christians war over worship day

It is a pretty lengthy article but I think it is fair to the issue. I have heard Pastor Greg Lurie preach on the issue and his points are weak - very weak. I wrote him a detailed letter breaking down each point he made. Of course he didn't answer. I don't like his preaching style even when I agree with what he is teaching. He comes across as very arrogant.

I guess the basketball team controversy in Oregon brought this article about. Good. We are getting people thinking.
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#162611 - 03/23/08 08:07 AM Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day [Re: Shane]
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There's one very important point about the Sunday/Sabbath issue that the article neglected to mention: if Sunday was intended by God to be part of the New Covenant, it would have needed to be made part of it before the New Covenant was ratified by the death of Christ. The Bible itself says that nothing can be either added to or subtracted from a covenant once it has been ratified. Therefore, since there is no suggestion of a change in the way the Sabbath is kept, and since Christians kept the seventh-day Sabbath after Christ's death and resurrection, it follows that there was no change in the day of rest and of worship.
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#162612 - 03/23/08 09:34 AM Re: 'Deception': Christians War Over Worship Day [Re: Robert]
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 Originally Posted By: Robert
 Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo
 Originally Posted By: Robert
Oh boy...both sides have it wrong! There's nothing in the 4th commandment about worship! Nothing.


And when the believer is contemplating God's creation and praising His redemptive act symbolized by the Sabbath, what do you think he is doing?

Gerry
Like I said, there's no mention of worship. You are making it up!


Willing obedience from the heart is the highest form of worship. Therefore, to truly obey God is to worship God, and this includes obeying God's commandment to keep the Sabbath day holy by not working on it. It's obvious from the language of the commandment that the whole purpose of it is to remember the fact that God is the Creator of the world.

As a matter of fact, the entire Ten Commandment law is about worship. We can't separate the fourth commandment from any of the first three commandments, and these obviously have to do with worship. The second commandment forbids the worship of images. Why? Because the commandments require us to worship only the Creator, the same Creator who made the Sabbath and commands us to keep it holy. Rev. 14: 7 makes a clear connection by quoting Exodus 20: 11 and then calls upon us to worship God. The apostle Paul makes the same connection between the Sabbath commandment and worship of the Creator in Acts 14: 15;17: 23, 24.
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