When i believed i had a immortal soul and was enlightned by new age i had a lot of out of body experiences. They seemed to be so Real!! i could see the details in my room perfectly and it was like someone threw me all around the room. But i was also in a very high state of conciousness so i could remember everything. I started to look at the details and figured out that they were almost! like my real room. The Radio for example was somewhere else. I never really thought about these experiences untill i ve found this on a sda Site

"Then he went on to explain that among the master’s plans for the future, there will be people who will claim to have out of body experiences. They will allege to have gone into different places, and will come back and write all about it. They will actually believe that their immortal spirit or soul can do this. Since millions of earth already believe in the immortality of the soul, this new deception will be readily accepted by the masses. The high priest also explained that what actually will be happening in these so called “out of body experiences” is that the spirits will move upon their imaginations creating highly vivid scenes which will leave a deep impression upon their minds during unconsciousness. Once awake and alert, such persons will fully and sincerely believe that their experience has been for real. He then said that “many of these persons will become powerful workers for the master, who never ceases to attract people to his cause.”

So this is real. Sometimes i thought i was schizophrenic, even my dad believed that could be schizophrenic...

http://english.sdaglobal.org/testimony/supnatr.htm

Very Very interesting link!

HEY TRUTHSEEKER

THIS is another forum of spiritualism.
the new age thinking has been around for some
time now the devil seems to have conterfiet
religions coming up every day.

new ages groups are really eastern philosiphy
with the center on self as a god

dgrimm60

Sounds like Ellen White. :)

Here is an interesting link to a neuro scientist who had a stroke. She describes the effects of right brain and left brain thinking in relation to her experiences while having a stroke.

Video on Scientist experience having a stroke

It appears that the left brain is far more concerned with the ego, fear, and evil, while these mind expanding experiences connect us more fully with others around us.

So much of religion is built on fear of the "other." This is a form of simple tribalism and is not based on evidence.

Hmmm CardW i am not sure what you are trying to say here. Even if my experiences were caused somehow by my own brains i am sure the devil knew how to influence it. My experiences were real, i slept next to my parents bed untill i was 17 because when i was alone i felt their presence hating me, giving me illusions from which i was not able to escape. Once i decided to call upon Jesus and i felt relaxt and safe.

The enemy likes to place bait in front of a person to ensnare them with the hook inside the bait. If we or our parents have participated in anythng ocultic, we can give ground to the enemy in our hearts. Thus ground needs to be taken back by Jesus. He alone has the right to control your life.

Praise Him who can do all things.


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Yeah Jesus stands for truth, life, light, long suffering, honour etc. The fallen angels are liars, murderers, self seeking etc. But i am wondering. One third of them were deceived by satan, instead they become angry with him for casting them out of heaven they are serving him. How come they are so stupid? would there be angels left who regret the decision and are willing to seperate themselves from satan, want to repent and die a more honourable death? I am even willing to sacrifice my soul to turn bad angels into good angels. I know i cannot negotiate with them because they are all liars, but still maybe God loves some angels who were deceived so much, he still has some repentance plan for them too. I mean, if i were God and my children became wicked i could still think about the times they were still lovely.

I believe that our state of being extends beyond our body in the form of emotional energy. So I think there are explanations that don't need a devil to perpetrate them. And I have observed that animals and children are very sensitive to people's emotional state. So your parents hatred either for themselves or you could be interpreted by their child as harmful and personally directed.



I don't doubt this. Jesus has become a very powerful symbol of unconditional love. I have heard people describe this same experience by calling on either the great father or the great mother or any number of images that helped them connect with peace, love and safety. I would not debate that one is better than another. They are only shadows of the real thing.

Any belief system becomes harmful when it is used to control another and we have examples from the New Age movement, but we have far more examples from Christianity. So claiming that one follows Jesus is no guarantee.

I have recognized that there are universal truths that can be verified by our awareness and we are born with this awareness. It does not require a guru or a pastor or any "expert" to tell you what to do. And these truths aren't left brain doctrines or explanations. They are the way each of us can be connected to each other through love.

And I believe that you experienced this connection when you called on the name of Jesus as a child.

I am sorry CardW we are totally opposed in our convictions. What you are actually preaching is New age philosophy. Just like you i thought we were somehow supernatural and that we had to look for answers inside ourselves. Jesus is not a symbol. The devil is real, Jesus is real. There is nothing special about human beings. Sometimes we wish we could have godly capacities to give ourselves a more comfortable identity. We are just human beings caught in a war between satan and Jesus. I agree with you on the fact that we shouldn t blame the devil all the time for little things, but all the lies that man goes always to heaven and has an immortal soul, that we shouldn t worry about sin at all etc. those lies can be traced back by certain individuals who started different movements in return for power. OF course the devil doesn t work in obvious ways, that s his greatest tool.

I would advice you to leave the universal side of 'truth' and step into the divisive side of 'truth'. I would rather believe Jesus than man made philosophies. Human beings are highly stupid unintelligent beings generally speaking. The angels are also dumb, but because they compare themselves with the dumb people around this planet, they believe they are great. They are nothing but a bunch of bad kids playing sick games. Soon they ll pay the price. They are responsible for the killings of hundreds of millions of people.

"So your parents hatred either for themselves or you could be interpreted by their child as harmful and personally directed."

I am sorry you misunderstood. It was the hate of invisible identities that scared me. Sometimes i had about 20 out of body experiences and during all of them i was in a high state of conciousness. I was aware of my position. When i slept next to my parents bed, i felt more save because of their presence. I know these things were real and caused by my occult curiosity. Right at the moment i asked For JEsus during an out of body experience i woke up and i didn t feel afraid anymore. It had nothing to do with emotions. Sometimes i was too scared, i slept underneath my blankets or else i would see the entities.

Well the last time I checked fear was an emotion.

Well you are certainly free to believe what you want. Christianity is a man made philosophy as well.

I have learned that fear based beliefs, new age, Christian, or otherwise are destructive. While beliefs that have their motivational base in love, wonder, curiosity, and other healing emotions are very powerful ways to live life.

You are right Card W fear based beliefs are very destructive and lead to unnatural frustrations. However, despite the many times that people used the bible to achieve power, murder etc... we still have the testimonies of Jesus. They have been there for about 2000 years. It is also possible to discover God because of love, curiosity etc. This balance between a judgemental life and living according to the law and the testimony destroys the faith of many. Judgemental people are very very destructive. BUt there is a difference between being judgemental or speaking the divisive truth. The divisive truth is the word from God which is the reason why some people have the right to tell others how people should live.

Well, that belief is the source of abusive religious practice. No human has the right to determine how someone else should live their life or what their beliefs should be.

We certainly have the right to protect ourselves if someone else's choice causes destruction, but you have no right to determine what is true for me and I have no right to determine what is true for you.

Sorry you misunderstood. you are absolutely right about what you just said. What i was trying to tell you is that just because there are many different groups of 'christians' who misuse the bible, it doesn t mean that the bible is the only truth. Now if there are persons who can interpret the bible in a truthfull manner, these guys are doing a great job. But i agree with a lot about the way you think. Everyone should decide for oneselves what to believe. In catholic terms this means literally 'everybody should be a heretic'

sorry again, i mean of course, the bible is the ONLY source of truth regarding spiritual manners

I ve wondered many times how the Catholic Church could play a prominent role in the new world order. But after the testimony of Monreau i think i know the scenario. As calamities increase, the demons will contact the political leaders to tell them the importance of sunday keeping. The New World order will be implemented and the so called church of morals and values will play a very prominent role. Please teach yourselves while you have the oppurtunity. I hope none of us will be a foolish virgin without oil.

http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=7071384717786904996&q=roger+morneau&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

How about Ellen White?

yeah she too:P