#163368 - 03/28/08 09:17 PM
How do i know i am welcome in the church?
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Actually i have a desire to go to church to grasp a little bit of the presence of God. But i am afraid. I am such a hypocrite if i go to church. I am afraid that God will be angry with me if i am going to church. I am such a terrible being. Furthermore i am not really the kind of person that is enjoying the presence of the other people. I ve been alone for a long time now, and now i am afraid to get connected with people again. I want to go to church, i want God to love me but i understand that that just ain t possible no more. I ve lost my innocence a long time again.
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#163370 - 03/28/08 09:23 PM
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How are you able to tolerate being online with all of us sinners here on CA ... truthseeker007 ?
Also ... I was wondering ... How do you get along with people at school or work? Are you able to share Jesus with anyone. I find that the best way to get the focus off of myself ... is to share the love of Jesus.
If you haven't tried this before .... Give it a try and let us know how it goes.
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#163372 - 03/28/08 09:32 PM
Re: How do i know i am welcome in the church?
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I do everything on my own. i don t talk to people at the university at all except for presentations and stuff like that. I know you think i am just like the rest of you sinners, but that s not true. If you knew what i have done you probably wouldn t be talking with me anymore. And Yes i am going to share Jesus with the whole world. It s like a fire deep inside of me that tells me go study the scriptures and write a book. And so i ll write a book in which i handle the prophetic things pragmatically, clearly and urgently. I am just going to do things and i know that God will not let the devil kill me before i ve finished my work. It s a great honour to work for the lord, but somehow i want more. I want God to love me and i want to share love. In my new age years my conciounce became weaker. I thought that there were no rules anymore, rules were bad. I became agressive, unthankfull, pornographic, drugs loving, smoking horrible etc. I bet you ve never literally fought against parents or other family members, your mom telling you she wished you were never born. You are all very sweet people but you don t really know what it is like untill you have been that way yourself. I apreciate the fact that i am allowed to come here and talk with you, you are the only ones i can talk to and i am glad i ve found you.
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#163381 - 03/28/08 10:05 PM
Re: How do i know i am welcome in the church?
[Re: truthseeker007]
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Last time i went to church i felt terrible, like Judas. It was like i didn t realize my wickedness untill i was in the presence of the Lord. it hurted so much, i really had a hard time in church there. I think it was God s way of telling me i am not welcome there unfortunately.
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#163385 - 03/28/08 10:35 PM
Re: How do i know i am welcome in the church?
[Re: truthseeker007]
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Last time i went to church i felt terrible, like Judas. It was like i didn t realize my wickedness untill i was in the presence of the Lord. it hurted so much, i really had a hard time in church there. I think it was God s way of telling me i am not welcome there unfortunately. That's too bad. Wish I could change your mind however I've never achieved that on this forum. However, at least you can know you are welcome here. We can be your church.
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#163544 - 03/29/08 12:25 PM
Re: How do i know i am welcome in the church?
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It s obvious that it s too late for me. God doesn t want me no more and it s satan s fault. Yesterday i asked God to remove the breath of life from me, but he doesn t want to do that. I don t want to exist any longer. I want to die, but i cannot commit suicide. Therefore i will train based on will power and i will challenge one of the demons to fight till one of us dies. So i can unleash my anger and my worries are over. Kind of like the next movie;
http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-659316052100974576&q=DBZ+Movie+8+broly+legendary&total=172&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
I think i don t have a chance, but i got to try, it s all i can do,
please pray for power, maybe i ll win.
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#163552 - 03/29/08 01:30 PM
Re: How do i know i am welcome in the church?
[Re: truthseeker007]
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its never to late truthseeker. Read the parable of the householder in Matthew 20:1-16. I think this is a good example of its never to late.
pkrause
ps: you will always be on our pray list, remember someone is always praying for you. And God loves you no matter what.
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#163680 - 03/29/08 11:32 PM
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[Re: pkrause]
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Thanks KRause, but i don t care about my destiny anymore. However i want other people to be able to know the truth so i need some answers. What exactly is JEsus doing in the holiest of holiest? What are the three woes of revelation?
Thanks in advance, i got to hurry, there is not much time left. Please pray for more time. People need to be sealed before it s too late.
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#163684 - 03/30/08 12:12 AM
Re: How do i know i am welcome in the church?
[Re: truthseeker007]
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You need help, and I'm glad you are here, but you need the kind of help that you can get only from someone who can talk to you in person and pray with you and study with you.
Everyone is welcome to worship, pray, and study in church.
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#163694 - 03/30/08 01:21 AM
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It s obvious that it s too late for me. God doesn t want me no more and it s satan s fault. Yesterday i asked God to remove the breath of life from me, but he doesn t want to do that. I don t want to exist any longer. I want to die, but i cannot commit suicide. Therefore i will train based on will power and i will challenge one of the demons to fight till one of us dies. So i can unleash my anger and my worries are over. Wait a minute....You say that God doesn't want you no more, but you have a desire to do what is right and one of those desires is to go to church??? I would say that you are a bit confused as to who is desiring you and who is seeking your death.... God is life, and truth and light. He desires us to fellowship together....Satan will do anything to get you confused and troubled and give you thoughts of suicide.... If you desire life, and it sounds like you do, then get thee hence to a church and begin fellowshiping....Listen to others as they begin to listen to you....You might be surprized at what you can learn from others..... And quit this whining stuff about God not wanting you, it's too late for you ect....That's just satan yellin' in your ears and clouding the real Voice that you need to listen to...God's quiet voice...You can hear it during prayer, ...if you listen...
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#163695 - 03/30/08 01:24 AM
Re: How do i know i am welcome in the church?
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Last time I went to church I felt terrible, like Judas. I skipped church today and went to the Democratic County Convention and I kind of felt like Judas there.  I am such a terrible being. Seriously now... We all are. I could cite a long list of sins I have committed but doing so would take the focus off from my point and onto my past. I am convinced there is no sin too great that the blood of Christ cannot cleanse me from it. But there is a process of healing that we often need help with. We are damaged goods- each and everyone of us. Some of can find healing simply through Bible study, prayer and Christian fellowship. Others, like myself, need more help. I would suggest you look for a Christian counseling agency. Do you have medical insurance that covers counseling? If not, I suggest using some of the resources at Life Renewal Institute They have videos, books, seminars and online groups.
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#163752 - 03/30/08 02:46 PM
Re: How do i know i am welcome in the church?
[Re: Shane]
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Thanks for your encouragement. Today i went from soccer to home and i saw my ex girlfriend with another guy. That hurts pretty much because i was willing to sacrifice my soul for her. IN the old days i would have stepped off my bike and kicked the brains out of the guy. But that ain t me anymore. I am focused on Jesus now. I gave up my girl, career, friends, entertainment, money etc so i can serve Jesus with all of my might. Please pray that JEsus won t reject me. I ve been rejected too many times. Please i really need JEsus. I ve decided to go to church again. Please pray.
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#163759 - 03/30/08 03:48 PM
Re: How do i know i am welcome in the church?
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Life Renewal Institute specializes in rejection. It seems a bit spendy but if you are going to pay for counseling out of your own pocket, it is cheaper than going to a counselor. A counselor costs $75-$100 per session. A good counselor shouldn't need more than a year of weekly sessions to help someone. At $75/week for a year that would cost $3,900. Bare that in mind when looking at the products and services offered by Life Renewal Institute. Rejection. Yes, I know it well.  I never broke up with a girlfriend my entire life. Never. Not once. Every girlfriend I had dumped me. Of course, I never had many girlfriends to begin with so the list of those that dumped me really isn't that long.  My dad abandoned me when I was five. I was laughed at and made fun of in school and never felt like I fit it. Isaiah, describing our Savior's life on earth wrote, "He is despised and rejected of men; a Man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from Him; He was despised, and we esteemed Him not." The Apostle John wrote, "He came unto His own, and His own received him not." On the cold and lonely cross Jesus cried out, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me?" The Apostle Paul wrote, "Wherefore in all things it behoved Him to be made like unto his brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people... For we have not an High Priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." Jesus lived a life of rejection - which is what we deserve. Christianity is all about reconciliation. It is all about acceptance by God. "For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life." (Rom. 5:10) "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, Who hath reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For He hath made Him to be sin for us, Who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him." (2 Cor. 5:17-21) He was rejected for us that we might be reconciled (or accepted) by God. He got what we deserved so we can get what He deserves! That is the Good News! That is the gospel of Jesus Christ! If you would like the interview of Drs. Ron and Nancy Rockey on 3ABN Today just send me an email with your address and I will send it to you. Be sure to tell me if you want it in DVD or VHS. No charge for it.
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#163779 - 03/30/08 06:14 PM
Re: How do i know i am welcome in the church?
[Re: Shane]
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Thanks Shane i am glad Jesus knows he we feel. Thank you for the offer of help but i don t got money, furthermore i am from Holland. I love you people here, you are the only ones left to me. I hope for better days, i hope for love and the holy spirit. Thank you all for all of your encouragements. Thanks for pointing to the life of Jesus. Somehow i will be able to draw lessons from these painfull experiences.
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#163902 - 03/31/08 02:54 AM
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[Re: truthseeker007]
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Defenently will be praying. Jesus will never reject you, or any of us for that matter.
pkrause
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#163949 - 03/31/08 11:50 AM
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Actually i have a desire to go to church to grasp a little bit of the presence of God. But i am afraid. I am such a hypocrite if i go to church. I am afraid that God will be angry with me if i am going to church. I am such a terrible being. Furthermore i am not really the kind of person that is enjoying the presence of the other people. I ve been alone for a long time now, and now i am afraid to get connected with people again. I want to go to church, i want God to love me but i understand that that just ain t possible no more. I ve lost my innocence a long time again. It's always nice to have everyone's approval, but when one goes to church to meet with Jesus, how others might react never takes away the promise He offers all. "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." John 6:37 KJV "Let the wicked forsake his way And the unrighteous man his thoughts; And let him return to the LORD, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon. " Isaiah 55:7 NASB "But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." Romans 2:29 KJV Blessings! 
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#163950 - 03/31/08 12:06 PM
Re: How do i know i am welcome in the church?
[Re: Neil D]
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the real Voice that you need to listen to...God's quiet voice...You can hear it during prayer, ...if you listen... "And He said, Go out and stand on the mount before the Lord. And behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains and broke in pieces the rocks before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind; and after the wind an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake; And after the earthquake a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire; and after the fire [a sound of gentle stillness and] a still, small voice." 1 Kings 19:11,12 AMP Regards! 
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#163951 - 03/31/08 12:18 PM
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[Re: truthseeker007]
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Each day, without fail, that Jesus' will be worked out in your life. Join me in that same prayer. "Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 18:19 KJV God bless! 
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#163953 - 03/31/08 12:24 PM
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I hope for better days, i hope for love and the holy spirit. "...and now there doth remain faith, hope, love -- these three; and the greatest of these [is] love." 1 Corinthians 13:13 YLT Keep looking up! 
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#163954 - 03/31/08 12:30 PM
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Defenently will be praying. Jesus will never reject you, or any of us for that matter.
pkrause "Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." Hebrews 13:5 KJV Regards! 
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#164030 - 03/31/08 11:00 PM
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Thanks LifeHisCost. I am planning to go to church this sabbath and i have decided to forget my sins because the bible says i should do that. I am sooo alone but i am glad i ve found you. i am soon going to order the great controversy and also some other books that help me study the everlasting gospel. These are my plans, writing a book, giving lectures, form teams to spread the gospel in different parts of the world. I am going to study so much info about the endtimes and i am going to write a lot of literature about it. Then i will form teams on the whole world. I will give all my soul and money to the church. all i need is bread water clothes and shelter. Please Pray, Please pray, my soul cries out in loneliness.
Whom of you would be willing to join a prophetic team? Just make some literature that cover the endtimes plainly supported by non-biblical scientific evidence etc and just go out to all the nations. Just trusting the lord, leave all our possessions behind and trust in God. When we go to places like Iran or North Korea we should just trust in the lord. I think NOW is the time to do something. We already have the knowledge, now it s time to form a front and prepare for battle. No matter how many people may laugh and ridicule, i know God is happy with every converted soul. Let s do this for the Lord...
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#164142 - 04/01/08 11:26 AM
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I am planning to go to church this sabbath and i have decided to forget my sins because the bible says i should do that. Please Pray, Please pray, my soul cries out in loneliness.
Let s do this for the Lord... It's good to see you moved to personal effort to finish spreading the gospel message, especially as unique with the Adventist church. There is a battle to be fought and I'm thinking as we each remember the battle is the Lord's, there will be more victories gained than if we make the plans ahead of where God leads. Not all are called to the same tasks and if we ask for and wait upon the Lord's guidance, He will open the way to that particular spot He'll be able to use us most effectively. "And all this assembly shall know that the LORD saveth not with sword and spear: for the battle is the LORD's" 1 Sam 17:47 KJV "And I will make thee unto this people a fenced brasen wall: and they shall fight against thee, but they shall not prevail against thee: for I am with thee to save thee and to deliver thee, saith the LORD." Jeremiah 15:20 KJV "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." Philippians 4:13 KJV My primary personal choice at present is ministry to my beloved ailing wife. Blessings! 
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