Bravus, that's assuming one knows one's orientation before marriage. Lots of folk aren't really sure "who" they are (emotionally, sexually, physically, intellectually and so on and so forth) until well into a marriage.

Oh, absolutely. It's tragic, but I do think some people's orientation does change later in life, after they're married, and it's tough for everyone involved. But I was specifically talking about the situation here, with people who have been actively gay and repent of that and change and end up marrying.

If someone thinks their orientation is changing, the sooner they get help the easier it is to treat. That is something to keep in mind. There are Christian counselors that do a good job of dealing with this. Many gay-exit ministries also help those that are only having thoughts of experimenting with the lifestyle.

So far in my studies, every homosexual case has had an emotional/spiritual headwaters, and Jesus the Christ can heal & resolve that root cause. Then they are free to do His will (and His will is clearly NOT homosexual).

God is in the business of changing lives.

Rejoice always,

oG

Just a thought...

Because sex or lust should not be the main goal or trigger of any relationship, homosexual culture and theology will always be at odds with Christian culture and theology. This is the mistake that many churches that won't clearly speak out against homosexuality make. Modern society is fastly accepting homosexuals because they are starting to realize that gays are no different from themselves. But as Christians we have to understand that we are or we should be different from gays in the ways, means, and reasons for defining our relationships.

Homosexuals have to understand if they are interested in Jesus' name they will have to do what we all have done or should have done. We all have to first admit we are in trouble and need to be saved. Therefore homosexual theology can't merge with Christian theology because gays can't admit that being gay is wrong. Gays don't have the right to declare their sin "safe".

The Christian God has certain preached views of men, women, fatherhood, motherhood, sex, love and relationship. Just remember according to God love is a choice, that is why God states though shall love your neighbors. Gays do not believe they can choose to be gay, therefore gays do not know love and they must be informed.

Love isn't about how people make you feel and what they can do for you. If the homosexual community can't accept this then they need not apply to Christianity. There are people all over there world whether Chinese or Muslims who would be happy to hear about Jesus. Should Christians change their theology to protect gays? The greatest definition of love may be to adopt a child and choose to love them but homosexuals claim their emotional attachments are not choices. Then why do they think they can choose to love adopted children or are they only using these children to make their love seem real. That is truly disgusting to use children the strengthen your sin.

Is it that a person's orientation changes, later in life, after he's married? Or is it rather that the person stops trying to sublimate those homosexual urges which have been with him all his adult life?

It's a shame when a man marries a woman hoping this will change him into being heterosexual - and later gives up trying. This breaks up a family, shatters a dream held by the poor spouse, and just generally messes up everything. It's better if one is homosexual to just come out and admit it.

BTW, I know several homosexual partners who I'm sure have "settled in" to having a celibate relationship, now in their older years together. [Just as some hetero couples have done in their retirement years, I suspect.] This doesn't prevent the partners from loving and caring deeply for each other.

Having grown up in a generation where homosexuality was considered a sin so gross, very seldom was it ever mentioned as possibly existing in any present company, your post adds a dimension of compassion most often missed by the part of our society that sees themselves as having no gross sinfulness.

While it is true there are many Christians delivered from even the beginning
of the more gross sins, this does not mean that any are good people, in the absolute sense of godliness. It does mean any who have been delivered from the "get-go" have a great deal to be thankful for re: God's intervention in their life before the prince of the power of darkness had more than limited "success" in leading them astray.

"They have all turned aside,They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one." Psalm 14:3 NKJV

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God" Matthew 19:17 KJV

The danger of the homosexual is that he/she believe their behavior or mindset is acceptable irregardless of what the Word says, or believe that God is so impotent He cannot deliver from such behaviors or mindsets, something that is a danger to any who cling to unacceptable conduct as related by the Word.

"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting" Romans 1:26-28 NKJV

As for deliverance:

"Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh. Is there anything too hard for Me?" Jeremiah 32:27 NKJV
Regards!

Amen.

Many Christians ignore the fact that many homosexuals are NOT willing to accept that the lifestyle is a sin, this would be a prerequisite for conversion.

Would the churches that accept homosexual ministers, etc also accept ministers that intentionally have children out of wedlock or that are known to cheat on their wives. What is so acceptable about homosexuality that people don't want to speak out against it.

Good rhetorical questions, Nish. Perhaps the answer to modern "acceptance" is the militant demand from the gay agenda for acceptance. I believe that for many people, just accepting it is easier than fighting/or resisting the sin. Many in our society lack the ethical energy to resist such sins.