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#175041 - 06/30/08 08:03 AM Re: I need help. [Re: John317]
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Thanks for that insight John317 and thank-you everyone for all the prayers so far.

I managed to work all that out by further reading the passages within the context. I showed my friend this and she doesn't understand that this is a prime example that there are misleading understandings out there.

Angie still needs prayer, though we are still doing Bible study with the elder (he is a brilliant guy) of our church, she usually just sits there reading from the Bible what she wants to read and seems to ignore anything we discuss (unless it coincides with that she is currently learning from UPC). Angie believes that it is Gods will that she is to be there and will not let anyone tell her otherwise.

Her Uncle and Aunt (the people she lives with) and I, tried sitting her down to discuss the fact that she is just consuming everything these UPC people want her to learn but she sits there with a mindless face not listening to anything we say. She doesn't want to talk to anybody what she is learning but simply wants us to pray for her.

I am really scared for her and myself, i cannot discuss with her about anything about what she is doing as she has threatened to end our relationship because she wants to follow God. This to me is absolute rubbish, because if anything would get in the way of our relationship it would be the devil.

She practically lives at the UPS pastors house, constantly doing Bible studies and the likes. I really do not understand what God is trying to do here.

Please keep praying for Angie and myself.
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#175135 - 07/01/08 03:51 AM Re: I need help. [Re: Coulsty]
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Yes, we here at the Forum are certainly continuing to pray for you and Angie. I know something of what you are going through. Speaking in tongues and taking part in their services are very strong emotional ties. Please let us know if there is any other way that we can help you and Angie.
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#175247 - 07/02/08 02:11 AM Re: I need help. [Re: Coulsty]
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Registered: 06/29/08
Posts: 150
Loc: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Originally Posted By: Coulsty
Apparently the fastest growing church in North America. http://www.upca.org.au/index.php?page=believe

You gave an Australian site in your reference. Does this mean that this Church you are referring to has its headquarters in Australia? Just interested as I live in Australia and had not really heard of them.
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#175250 - 07/02/08 02:37 AM Re: I need help. [Re: Coulsty]
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Originally Posted By: Coulsty

This is their beliefs:

Apparently the fastest growing church in North America.

http://www.upca.org.au/index.php?page=believe



I couldn't get anything related to religion or church or the Bible. Could you tell me the name of the group so I could look it up? I'm sure I've at least heard of it. Is it the United Pentecostal Church? Does this link describe their views?--- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Pentecostal_Church_International

If so, it is one of the fastest growing churches in North America, as shown by this info from the Wikipedia:

Since its formation in 1945, the UPCI has been one of the fastest growing denominations in North America, growing from 617 member churches in 1946 to 4,358 churches in 2007 (which includes 4099 autonomous and 258 daughter works).
the UPCI in North America has 9,085 ministers.
the UPCI in North America reports a Sunday School attendance circa 650,000.
the UPCI has a presence in 175 other nations with 22,881 licensed ministers, 28,351 churches and meeting places, 652 missionaries, and a foreign constituency of over 3 million.
total worldwide constituency, including North America, is listed at 4,036,945.
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#175251 - 07/02/08 02:50 AM Re: I need help. [Re: John317]
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Registered: 06/29/08
Posts: 150
Loc: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Originally Posted By: John317
Originally Posted By: Coulsty

This is their beliefs:

Apparently the fastest growing church in North America.

http://www.upca.org.au/index.php?page=believe


Originally Posted By: John317
I couldn't get anything related to religion or church or the Bible. Could you tell me the name of the group so I could look it up? I'm sure I've at least heard of it. Is it the United Pentecostal Church? Does this link describe their views?--- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Pentecostal_Church_International


Coulsty gave a reference as shown above, a reference to a church in Australia. If it is an American based Church Why not a reference to a website in USA? I am interested in why Coulsty gave the reference to an Australian website.

Not that it really matters relating to the request for prayer Coulsty has asked for which it goes without saying that we will remember in prayer. Just interest in knowing why the Australian site was quoted.
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#175530 - 07/04/08 01:57 PM Re: I need help. [Re: doctorj]
Coulsty Offline
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Registered: 02/22/08
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Loc: Queensland, Australia
I honestly do not not what to say. I don't know how it happened, other then it just happened.

Prayers have been answered. Angie is writing a letter of resignation to the United Penticostal Church because of things that go against what she believes in.

Cannot thank you guys enough, but most of all cannot thank God enough.

I think this has been a test from God, this whole incident has brought both Angie and i closer to God.


God Bless.
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#175538 - 07/04/08 05:43 PM Re: I need help. [Re: Coulsty]
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Wow!
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#175541 - 07/04/08 05:58 PM Re: I need help. [Re: Coulsty]
John317 Offline


Registered: 11/13/05
Posts: 7397
Loc: CA


That's amazingly great news, Coulsty. Wonderful to hear.

I hope you tell us what the main things are that Angie finally decided go against what she believes. Were the Sabbath, "tongues" and eating of unclean animals among those things?

Be sure to thank the church elder there for studying with you and her on those things. We'll continue to pray for you and Angie that you will stay close to Christ.
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