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#172937 - 06/09/08 02:44 AM Re: 1st Amendment and Gay Marriage [Re: Shane]
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now immagration has entered the issue.
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#172938 - 06/09/08 03:33 AM Re: 1st Amendment and Gay Marriage [Re: Parade Orange]
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That is the big prize. That is why they want "gay marriage" and will not settle for civil unions. See --> Immirgration Equality
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#172972 - 06/09/08 03:52 PM Re: 1st Amendment and Gay Marriage [Re: Shane]
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Just some quick stats.

63% of American children grow up in a home with both biological parents.
59% of the population is married
24% have never been married
10% are divorced
7% are widowed

Divorce rate for first marriage is 41%
Divorce rate for second marriage is 60%
Divorce rate for third marriage is 73%
Couples without children are more likely to divorce

Those marrying between 20 and 24 years old are most likely to divorce followed by those marrying under 20. Those marrying over 30 years old have a 10% chance of divorce which continually decreases as they grow older.

The percentage of members that have been divorced is:
Baptists 29%
Mainline Protestants is 25%
Mormons 24%
Catholics 21%
Lutherans 21%


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#173015 - 06/10/08 02:22 AM Re: 1st Amendment and Gay Marriage [Re: Shane]
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why dont we have christian groups rallying and getting upset and spending money,time, energy, and God Given TALENTS at how as


christian men dont love their wives as JESUS loves His Church.

Disobeying Gods commands about marriage and divorce. Marriage and divorce are taken very lightly by our whole church. Even Christians in prominant positions in our SDA church divorce without biblical grounds. And get Remarried just like that. and they are breathing down homos necks who dont claim JESUS as their Saviour?

Its not a christian duty to deny a sect of peoples Rights in America. If they have a duty outside of the Gospel Commision it is to teach and counsel and model what a REAL MARRIAGE looks like according to Paul and Moses and JESUS to the Body of Christ. The world is not interested when they see such disasters in church.

My church is chalk full of 2nd and 3rd marriages. There is a fellow in my church that has been married 5 times and his M.O. is to bring em to church,baptize and cue the "here comes the bride" music...

My church isnt raising up on its hind feet about his lifestyle cause he is straight afterall.

The gays see their hypocracy and the Church has pie on its face.

even fornication is debated among christian circles! whats that all about?

The christians think of homos as inferior and use the Holy Bible of GOD to back up its hate and fear.

The christians best get busy and follow JESUS commands for a change. instead of feeling like they are rich and have no need.



Edited by Parade Orange (06/10/08 03:07 AM)
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#173018 - 06/10/08 02:48 AM Re: 1st Amendment and Gay Marriage [Re: Parade Orange]
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It is a Bible based spiritual fact that we cannot share and witness and sow seeds for Gods Kingdom with people you either look down upon or hate.

I see such seething anger in christian faces when Gay Marriage comes up. It is not rightouse indignation. It is another spirit. The drag God's name thru the mud.
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All progress in the Spiritual Life is knowing and Loving GOD
"there is non upon earth that I desire besides YOU" PS 73:25
That perspective changes EVERYTHING-suffering and adversity are the means that makes us hungry for GOD. Disapointments will wean us away wordly occupations. Even sin(when repented of) becomes a mechanism to push us closer to HIM as we experience His Love and Forgiveness.

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#173023 - 06/10/08 03:42 AM Re: 1st Amendment and Gay Marriage [Re: Parade Orange]
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The conservative religious right, which I do not consider myself part of, does oppose no-fault divorce. Groups like Focus on the Family and The 700 Club are very much against divorce.
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#173029 - 06/10/08 04:35 AM Re: 1st Amendment and Gay Marriage [Re: Shane]
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Shane,thanku for saying that. Ichabod thanku for commenting also
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"there is non upon earth that I desire besides YOU" PS 73:25
That perspective changes EVERYTHING-suffering and adversity are the means that makes us hungry for GOD. Disapointments will wean us away wordly occupations. Even sin(when repented of) becomes a mechanism to push us closer to HIM as we experience His Love and Forgiveness.

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#173570 - 06/16/08 05:51 AM Re: 1st Amendment and Gay Marriage [Re: Parade Orange]
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Shane , I have been thinking about the term u used-
MARRIAGE is a RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION.. I shouldnt be so flippant about that concept. I thank God I have never married cause the concept of Marriage as being ordained by GOD created in the Garden of Eden sounds downright overwhelming to me.

If I take the scriptures seriously regarding marriage that would mean that only God can truly be behind every marriage conducted on earth! whatever religion or non religion the parties are with. All cultures from all history. Good marriages and bad marriages God joins them together!!! O mY!!!!!
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All progress in the Spiritual Life is knowing and Loving GOD
"there is non upon earth that I desire besides YOU" PS 73:25
That perspective changes EVERYTHING-suffering and adversity are the means that makes us hungry for GOD. Disapointments will wean us away wordly occupations. Even sin(when repented of) becomes a mechanism to push us closer to HIM as we experience His Love and Forgiveness.

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#173583 - 06/16/08 03:29 PM Re: 1st Amendment and Gay Marriage [Re: Parade Orange]
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There have been societies in the past that accepted gay marriage and perhaps even their religions - I would have to check into that more. However those societies didn't not fare well for long afterwards. Historically, cultural moral decay is the beginning of the end for a society. The acceptance of homosexuality contributes to that moral decay.

There seems to be two extremes in regard to homosexuality. One is that we abhor it and those involved in it. The other is that we accept it by elevating it to an acceptable for of sexual expression. I think the moderate view where we neither abhor it or accept it is the better choice. This is a view that follows "Live and let live". It provides for the homosexual behavior to be tolerated and to a large degree accommodated- but not promoted.
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#173603 - 06/16/08 08:24 PM Re: 1st Amendment and Gay Marriage [Re: Parade Orange]
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The gays see their hypocracy and the Church has pie on its face.

even fornication is debated among christian circles! whats that all about?

The christians think of homos as inferior and use the Holy Bible of GOD to back up its hate and fear.

The christians best get busy and follow JESUS commands for a change. instead of feeling like they are rich and have no need.



While the charge of hypocrisy is true, that does not make same sex marriage right.

To say that Christians think of gays us inferior is simply wrong. SOME may think so, but I dare say that most Christians view it just as God does, an abomination. And the Bible is used as the authority because without divine revelation, some justification could probably be found for any immoral act.

The object of passing laws is not to deprive certain sects of groups of their rights. It is to PROTECT rights and promote the general welfare of society. And it is a Christian's duty to vote for or pass laws that do this. Now, it happens that while protecting the rights of the majority and promoting the general welfare of society, it may be that the rights of certain individuals may be infringed upon. For example: while protecting children, a law may infringe of the rights of parents to discipline their children.

If we allow same sex marriage and view it as normal, then polygamy, marrying whomever (fill in the blank including your dog) would be no less deviant.


Gerry

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