I am not advocating gay marriage.

when I see christians fuming and seething and fearing and justifying their opposition to gays joining their lovers in matrimony. even gays to think about the priveledge of actually joining society as equals and join the person who means the most to them gets christians rattled.

These christians as a whole as a church as a Club as a group do not uphold marriage as a sacred covenant. They dont have their head on straight.
They dont have a right to deny my right. How presumptuous. How foul. they think they are following the Bible? Barking at something other than yourselves? not looking inward and Christward?

It is so ugly to see. Thats not their job. They are kidding themselves. Goodness gracious. A group of people wanting to live their lives to join in matrimony. And they can bring in the older generations and flowergirls(like you've never seen!!!).

and yes it can be redefined.
why cant it?
The straight marriages(for those lovable aged moppets) it wont take anything away from the way it was always done. It will add.

Ichabod, I know you dont know me and I dont know you. Apparently we disagree(even though I do agree) sooooo....

We are on two different pages. I see fear and loathing in their opposition to gays rights and you see something else.

The church plays out like it always played out. I am not blindsided by it.

I don't recall Christians voting Caesar into office either. Obviously those living in a democratic republic are going to have different responsibilities than those living under dictatorships.

The main reason why we didnt see the christians lobbying the Roman government is because that wasnt Jesus commision for the christians to get into.
We are to spread the gospel
not spend so much time, money, abilities, gifts and talents

to oppose,

march against,

enact laws,

disenfranchise,

deny basic human dignity and

alienate
people we disagree with who need JESUS.



creepy
creepy
creepy

The early Christians were living at a time when they had NO say on the enactment of laws. We do. As Christians, how shall we vote on unjust or immoral issues?

Gerry

What right are you denied?

As far as "fear and loathing" goes, probably some feel that, and other don't.

As for myself, I'm tired of being labeled 'homophobic.' I'm not in the least afraid (phobic) of homosexuals. I do not see any indication in the Bible that homosexual sex is a worse sin than any other sexual sin. Not only that, but it is my understanding that the worst sins are spiritual: pride, envy, etc.

I do not know if desiring sex with someone of the same sex is sinful--any more than desiring sex with a woman other than my wife is a sin for me. Temptation is not sin, but if I indulge in such fantasies, that's another matter.

I do not know to what degree choice is involved in homosexuality. I've heard the arguments both ways, and I simply don't have enough knowledge or evidence to come to a conclusion.

For the sake of discussion, I'm willing to grant that it is inborn. But since the person's desires do not match the body God gave them, I would have to regard such an inborn condition as a sort of 'birth defect.'

Anyone with a birth defect deserves my compassion, not my condemnation. My daughter,for example, works with adults with mental retardation. Many of these have Down's syndrome. We feel compassion for them.

The depredations of sin have caused many types of birth defects. In one way, we all suffer from one or another, as none of us grow to Adam's stature, nor do we live for centuries any more. So we all need to relate to one another as fellow sufferers in this broken world.

In the past, and sometimes still, those with Down's syndrome are stigmatized. The same is true of homosexuals. It is a pity in both cases, and it is wrong. But the opposite fallacy is to declare these individuals to be 'totally normal.' That would be an equal injustice. It would deny reality, and deny those in need of the opportunity to receive the care and/or assistance they need.

Well, sort of.




Of course, that's not the point. The point is that they cannot contribute brides and grooms or flower girls and bible boys for the next generation of weddings. The whole point about the inclusion of multiple generations is to demonstrate how marriage has always been about continuing the human race.

well I guess I wont get into wifeswapping swinging parties and open marriages and men impregenating more than one lady at platos retreat and vietnam and korea. thats been around since i was aahh iddy biddy bubby and before.

If u are going to the web to prove if married gay men fool around u will find it. Welcome to the world. I have no illusion that gays will be better than their straight counterparts.


The gays who are or not married will not be having children(there is always exceptions) anyways.And many gay men do have children - I have a son.
They will always be men and women who marry and carry the civilazation on.

And about that thang about it being inborn or choice. So what if they chose it. Its their choice.
They still should be able to have equal cival rights as americans.
And I didnt think u were homophobic. I dont know you.

and about being 'normal' - its over rated.

and it is normal. sin is normal for sinners.

Gerry u would vote your conscience instead as many americans- their pocketbooks.