Since we are confessing ....

I am a sinner and a christian - both sides I see.

amen REDWOOD


exactly.

I dont think many put those two together cause what will the neighbors think?

"I am a sinner and a christian" - me too!

Parade Orange expresses exasperation at the 'Christian' attitudes witnessed and experienced in church. And while I feel his pain (pride; spiritual or other is especially distasteful), we can't change others or 'make' them respond or act appropriately.

The real issue as I see it, is not the 'right' or 'wrong' of the complex gay marriage issue. Instead; what do others 'see' when they interact with us? What do our family members, work colleagues, and neighbors think of our 'walk'?

So, now that we have established that we are ALL sinners, how then shall we view homosexuality?

Gerry

Welllll, based upon my understanding of God's Word (which is my theoretical base), homosexuality is wrong; and upsetting to God. However, that is only the surface to this layered issue.

In posts above this one, Parade Orange lists sins that to this point, have have contributed mightily to the decline of society as a whole; and have often resulted in in a 'black eye' for the church. And his stance that most ignore, or refuse to address the listed offensive sins is correct too.

I know quite a few persons who practice an alternative lifestyle. And while I do not in any way condone their choice, often, when I compare them as individuals to non-alternative lifesytle persons; they are 'head and shoulders' above the rest; sensitive and intelligent.

So personally, I hesitate to jump on the proverbial "we're ruined; just look at homosexuality prevalence" bandwagon, because we as a church and as a society did not suddenly arrive at this point. Many, many, wrongs and others' painful circumstances and conditions have largely been ignored.

I get the Exodus International(ministry to help gay christians become whole) newsletters and very much support their efforts with my prayers and even a tithe before. They are not political but yesterday I recieved their latest and it commented on the Gay Marriage in CA thing going on. They are not usually political.

Well..... They are against gay marriages!!!!
I am crestfallen! lol! Actually I am not surprised of course.

They are a christian group that reaaly looks at Gays as humans and not thought of as less than. I dont know many christians who really down in their hearts know that homos are equal to them. So its nice to know they're christians that acyually get it and not in denial.

The poster above who calls his or herself SERVANT understands what I have tried so much to share about whats around them and have their heads in the sand about.

maybe we can start a new thread about what Marriage really is. If many feel they are actually threatened if gay marriages is passed. what exactly is a God designed fresh from paradise Marriage.

"The greatest want in the world is the want of men.
Men who will not be bought or sold
Men who in their inmost souls are true and honest.
Men who do not fear to call sin by its right name.
Men who's conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole.
Men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall."



oG

Mitchell Tyner sees the forest thru the trees! Why cant SDA's here see it also!!! I will tellu why...



Most SDa's Christians put homosexualty in a different class of repugnant sins and the people who are homosexuals are declared in their own minds as less deserving of rights cause they think ultamately that homosexual males are less human.

Deep in their hearts they are offended to their very core that a man would take on a role as a woman.

Less than manly.

Cause they think woman are inferior to men. Its ok for a woman to wear pants and change a flat tire (if they must) but for a man to put on a dress or take on the recieving end of sexual intercourse is so upsetting to them.

A strong hetero man will not tolerate being called a sissy or being compared to a woman.

They think its demeaning and the person who calls a man a sissy does it cause he/she knows it is demeaning.

It calls attention to their masculinity. To appear weak!!!

there is men here who oppose gay marriages cause its offensive to them and I bring up that very fact thats they believe homos are subhuman and their eyes glaze over cause they wont admit thats the real issue in their heart of hearts.

Talk about DENIAL!

They stand on the scriptures. So did the Pharrasees.

But its a heart thang.

They beleive-

Gays dont deserve basic fundlemental rights! Cause they are deemed less than humans.

Therefore they should not be allowed to marry. No basic cival rights for them cause we be like Rome and fall!! ooooo! and men will want to marry cows! lol (thast not gonna happen ,dont u know that men will not marry the cow if they get the milk for free!!!!!)




And the IDIOTS think they can minister to homosexuals who they deam as inferior?

Wake UP!!

nastiest people you ever wanna meet in church!
I am surrounded!

Gays are allowed to marry. Marriage is a union of a man and a woman. When a gay man gets married it is to a woman - not another man. "Marrying" another man is itself contrary to the definition of marriage.

Civil unions allow gays to legally partner with each other. Why do gays insist on changing the meaning of the word marriage? Why won't gays be content with the advantages civil unions offer? Because they want the immigration advantages that are limited to marriage. Gays want to be able to "marry" foreign gays and bring them to the US.

They want to marry their partner they have now and will hopefully meet.

That immigration thing is a red herring.


Cival unions are second class.

its like saying blacks can ride on the bus(we will let them get on)- just put them in the back. SECOND CLASS!


cause they dont deserve fair and equal rights cause they are inferior- U just proved my post earlier

Thanku