I am a Creationist, for a number of reasons..

HOWEVER I want to state this opinion I have.

Judgement day, we will not have to answer a question on which method of us being here we found scientific evidence to support, OR what conclusion we came about after studying science.. there is a difference..

WHAT we will have to answer for, is how creationist treated evolutionist. Over the years I have found so much sarcasm, which too often is done by folks. I see unneeded barriers being put up against people who think different, whose experiences has led them down a different path. Sarcasm, esp. Christian sarcasm, keeps them going down that path.

Both camps, have major problems, those problems will get sorted out over the upcoming years, and it is my opinion, Truth will prevail.

unneeded sarcasm, is for people who do not understand the power of the Holy Spirit, nor the research of science

Just my opinion, not my kids, employers, spouse, goldfish or my pet plants.

Never a nail was more squarely hit.

Sarcasm is not listed as part of the Christian armor! :)

Thanks, I have been wanting to post that for quite some time.

Ya, know what you mean! As each day goes by, I am less concerned by what I know or don't know and more about how I treat others. Those two commands of Christ really are the essence of life. (love for God and love for others)

It behooves all of us as Christian brothers and sisters, regardless of our views on origins or any other issue, to treat one another with courtesy and consideration and to assume the best about one another.

(heh, that sounds a bit pompous - it's not meant to. what I mean to say is "I'll try")

I know of one nail, "For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet."

That one hit pretty squarely.


Ah memories of the future pass me by I am kinda sad even to the point of tears because I know those very same arguments have lead to the slaughter of many of God's. God's chosen will continue to die because of their thirst for the truth. And their utter hatred for that which is called a lie, and their disgust for every false way.

I can't say it any plainer than this, the first prophecy of Christ was in the Garden of Eden because of the fall of man. You simply can't be a Christian if you don't believe in Genesis.

You are not a Christian if you believe in Evolution!

Terrific. Thanks CoAspen. Well said. This is really true and what I need to keep foremost in my mind.

For me it's the opposite, because I know truth is defined as reality.

That is to say, it is not very loving to tell someone that poison is medicine. A truly loving person must do his research so he is aware of which meals to recommend.

It is not very loving to recommend poison. It is only through the word of God that you can distill all theologies. And the theology of evolution is utterly reprehensible.

We believe in opposite things you should understand that if I go to heaven you will go to hell, and if I go to hell you will go to heaven. We are in opposition and will not end up in the same place.

I can't wait to hear how a loving person responds to this comment.

No matter what you believe ... we will all end up in the same place. You are free to believe whatever you want. You are still loved and accepted. We are not saved on how we understand God. We are saved by accepting Jesus which both of us have done.

So, what you say here is not my belief.



Being in "opposition" is just a part of the diversity that is what we experience here on earth. Only in heaven will we be united with a clear understanding.

Now that is good! Great thought for the day!

I believe I am clearly on the side of the Bible in my arguments. You are simply arguing what you hope to be true. As Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice." Other sheep hear a different voice. I strive to not be one of these other sheep that harkens unto the occult.

We will in fact be judged by whether or not we recognize God's voice in the materials we view.

In the Old Testament we were told to literally kill the enemy,
in the New Testament we are told to spiritually kill the enemy, with baptism.
Who are these enemies that the Bible clearly wants us to fear and destroy?!

Some don't care but for those like myself that love absorbing information we have to pray fervently that we only look upon good things and we should make sure we only preach good things to those who are seeking nourishment. What a cruel thing it is to teach a child that God intentionally created this world through the violence of evolution. Violence is a product of sin not God! God or at least my God did not create the world through the spirit of death and murder also known as survival of the fittest.

Comments on 2 points- we will quite clearly be judged on how we treat others - if you doubt that, read the Inasmuch passage in Matthew 25. Reading Paul in 1 Corinthians 13, unless we have love (and I think that means to each other and to God) all our knowledge and all else is useless.

These comments could be tied together using Jesus' words to the Pharisees on the subject of tithing the minutiea - All this should you have done and not left the other undone.

I do not know of any one here who would claim that God created using 'survival of the fittest', if there are such, they can speak for themselves. I see it as a byproduct of sin - so in that maybe we are in agreement.

yeah I'm sure they are around look for the ones in sheeps clothing.


I don't know of anyone here who doesn't know that.

nishaun you are crossing over the line.

Sarcasm is used by both sides in the creation and evolution debate. It seems uglier to us when the creation folks use it because they are suppose to be Christian. However many theistic evolutionists also claim to be Christian and use sarcasm too. Sarcasm is ugly and has been said to be the lowest form of communication. I don't like to see it used by anyone.

I agree that both sides of the issue have serious problems. What tips the scales for me is the Bible record. Some trust tangible evidence more than the Inspired Word and they struggle more with what to believe. No one claims to have all the answers. Evolutionists do not claim to know everything nor do creationists (at least not reputable ones).

Some theistic evolutionists make the argument that origins is not a salvation issue. To me, that is a bit like saying that the flu is not fatal. It can be. Many people have lost their faith because of how the issue of origins was presented to them and how they reacted to it. Once we start to believe the Earth and/or life on it cannot be young we are not far from not being able to believe Christ couldn't have resurrected Himself. Without the belief in the resurrection our faith is in vain.

Some theistic evolutionists are also concerned that if the church does not pitch a big enough tent to include their theology many of them will leave the church only to lose faith and salvation. Yet by embracing such theology the church departs from Sola Scriptura and leaves open all other doctrines to interpretation by extra-Biblical sources. That could lead to a greater loss of faith even still.

Here is the point. While I agree it is wrong for creationists to use sarcasm, I also see that they are also provoked by evolutionists into stooping to such lows. Few in this debate choose to take the high road but that is exactly what each of us should strive to do.

Yeah. This is nothing compared to the names the church and even "I" have been called. Just a little sarcasm on the forum. I can handle sarcasm far better than the names I've been subjected to here. What do you think Shane?

I guess each person has the choice about how they react - and to expect others to judge them on their reactions.

Childishness does not greatly strengthen the impression of the validity of the point of view of the person who behaves in such a way - BTJM perhaps.

I would prefer someone to call me names because at least I know exactly what they are trying to say. Sarcasm often employs playing games with words and can leave people guessing at what is trying to be said. It is a very poor form of communication.

I had a step-dad that would always say, "you can call me anything but late for supper." Well, not everybody has such thick skin so we do need to be careful not to use provocative names. However having thick skin can be very helpful in carrying on a healthful discussion so while we should try not to offend others, we would do well to toughen up and not be easily offended ourselves.

The Golden Rule really sums up Jesus' teaching on how we should treat those with whom we disagree.

I think sarcasm is a slighty lower brow form of rhetoric, Jesus clearly used rhetoric in his counterarguments. I don't see anything wrong with it. Sarcasm is an important form of reproof in my opinion.

Childishness in an adult is simply a defense mechanism, many people in the world use jokes and laughters to deal with their problems, he who laughs lasts!!!!

I think a childish personality is quite close to the childlike personality that it takes to get into heaven sooooo... no apologies here.


Grow.......down!!!!!!!!!!!

nah...I'm out...lining the cross for those who can't percieve it!

You have been voted off the island..

An interesting exercise in ad hominem - but getting back to the subject title if not quite to the OP -- Darwinian evolutionism is inherently atheist if we are to believe Darwin himself as he describes the anti-Christian nature of his own proposals.

Darwinian Evolutionism also appears to be "distinctively atheist" if we judge it by the antics of the Dover trial.

But what Darwinian Evolutionism and YEC creationism share in common is that both are faith-based religious views for origins.

By contrast ID is more the "pure science" approach to the topic with unbridaled appeals to academic freedom to follow the data where it leads. Because of that - the ID scientist could either be a Christian YEC Creationist or even a theistic evolutionist - or an agnostic evolutionist.

But he can not be an atheist Darwinist. His religious convictions would be contradicted by the ID priniciple of academic freedom in admitting to Design when it is clearly seen.

in Christ,

Bob