#175792 - 07/06/08 05:25 AM
Re: Help me answer this lady
[Re: Fausto]
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Important truths concerning the atonement are taught by the typical service. A substitute was accepted in the sinner's stead; but the sin was not canceled by the blood of the victim. A means was thus provided by which it was transferred to the sanctuary. By the offering of blood the sinner acknowledged the authority of the law, confessed his guilt in transgression, and expressed his desire for pardon through faith in a Redeemer to come; but he was not yet entirely released from the condemnation of the law. On the Day of Atonement the high priest, having taken an offering from the congregation, went into the most holy place with the blood of this offering, and sprinkled it upon the mercy seat, directly over the law, to make satisfaction for its claims. Then, in his character of mediator, he took the sins upon himself and bore them from the sanctuary. Placing his hands upon the head of the scapegoat, he confessed over him all these sins, thus in figure transferring them from himself to the goat. The goat then bore them away, and they were regarded as forever separated from the people.
Such was the service performed "unto the example and shadow of heavenly things." And what was done in type in the ministration of the earthly sanctuary is done in reality in the ministration of the heavenly sanctuary. After His ascension our Saviour began His work as our high priest. Says Paul: "Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us." Hebrews 9:24.
The ministration of the priest throughout the year in the first apartment of the sanctuary, "within the veil" which formed the door and separated the holy place from the outer court, represents the work of ministration upon which Christ entered at His ascension. It was the work of the priest in the daily ministration to present before God the blood of the sin offering, also the incense which ascended with the prayers of Israel. So did Christ plead His blood before the Father in behalf of sinners, and present before Him also, with the precious fragrance of His own righteousness, the prayers of penitent believers. Such was the work of ministration in the first apartment of the sanctuary in heaven.
Thither the faith of Christ's disciples followed Him as He ascended from their sight. Here their hopes centered, "which hope we have," said Paul, "as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest forever." "Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by His own blood He entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us." Hebrews 6:19, 20; 9:12.
For eighteen centuries this work of ministration continued in the first apartment of the sanctuary. The blood of Christ, pleaded in behalf of penitent believers, secured their pardon and acceptance with the Father, yet their sins still remained upon the books of record. As in the typical service there was a work of atonement at the close of the year, so before Christ's work for the redemption of men is completed there is a work of atonement for the removal of sin from the sanctuary. This is the service which began when the 2300 days ended. At that time, as foretold by Daniel the prophet, our High Priest entered the most holy, to perform the last division of His solemn work--to cleanse the sanctuary.
As anciently the sins of the people were by faith placed upon the sin offering and through its blood transferred, in figure, to the earthly sanctuary, so in the new covenant the sins of the repentant are by faith placed upon Christ and transferred, in fact, to the heavenly sanctuary. And as the typical cleansing of the earthly was accomplished by the removal of the sins by which it had been polluted, so the actual cleansing of the heavenly is to be accomplished by the removal, or blotting out, of the sins which are there recorded. But before this can be accomplished, there must be an examination of the books of record to determine who, through repentance of sin and faith in Christ, are entitled to the benefits of His atonement. The cleansing of the sanctuary therefore involves a work of investigation--a work of judgment. This work must be performed prior to the coming of Christ to redeem His people; for when He comes, His reward is with Him to give to every man according to his works. Revelation 22:12.
Thus those who followed in the light of the prophetic word saw that, instead of coming to the earth at the termination of the 2300 days in 1844, Christ then entered the most holy place of the heavenly sanctuary to perform the closing work of atonement preparatory to His coming.
It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed. When the high priest, by virtue of the blood of the sin offering, removed the sins from the sanctuary, he placed them upon the scapegoat. When Christ, by virtue of His own blood, removes the sins of His people from the heavenly sanctuary at the close of His ministration, He will place them upon Satan, who, in the execution of the judgment, must bear the final penalty. The scapegoat was sent away into a land not inhabited, never to come again into the congregation of Israel. So will Satan be forever banished from the presence of God and His people, and he will be blotted from existence in the final destruction of sin and sinners.
The Great Controversy, pp. 420-422.
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Turning and turning in the widening gyre/ The falcon cannot hear the falconer;/ things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world... Surely some revelation is at hand;/Surely the Second Coming is at hand. W.B. Yeats
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#175796 - 07/06/08 05:42 AM
Re: Help me answer this lady
[Re: Fausto]
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... Just thought of something else, surely there are still two compartments right? The Bible plainly teaches that there are two compartments in the heavenly sanctuary, as does also Ellen White. In Heb. 8: 2, speaking of the heavenly sanctuary, the author tells us that Jesus ministers in "the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord." It is important to note that the Greek word for "sanctuary" here is in the plural form, that is, "holies," meaning "holy places." It consists of two separate divisions, or rooms. Significantly, a few verses later, in verse 5, we are told that the earthly sanctuary is a "copy and shadow of what is in heaven." Hebrews 9: 23, 24 also call the heavenly sanctuary "the heavenly things" and "holy places," respectively. These references clearly imply the existence of more than a single apartment in the heavenly sanctuary. 106 times the Greek translation of the Old Testament uses the same Greek word, ta hagia, which is plural, to refer to the entire sanctuary. This is in complete harmony with Hebrews 8: 5 and Exodus 25: 40, that the heavenly sanctuary was the pattern for the one which Moses built. Please study the following: It is those who by faith follow Jesus in the great work of the atonement who receive the benefits of His mediation in their behalf, while those who reject the light which brings to view this work of ministration are not benefited thereby. The Jews who rejected the light given at Christ's first advent, and refused to believe on Him as the Saviour of the world, could not receive pardon through Him. When Jesus at His ascension entered by His own blood into the heavenly sanctuary to shed upon His disciples the blessings of His mediation, the Jews were left in total darkness to continue their useless sacrifices and offerings. The ministration of types and shadows had ceased. That door by which men had formerly found access to God was no longer open. The Jews had refused to seek Him in the only way whereby He could then be found, through the ministration in the sanctuary in heaven. Therefore they found no communion with God. To them the door was shut. They had no knowledge of Christ as the true sacrifice and the only mediator before God; hence they could not receive the benefits of His mediation. The condition of the unbelieving Jews illustrates the condition of the careless and unbelieving among professed Christians, who are willingly ignorant of the work of our merciful High Priest. In the typical service, when the high priest entered the most holy place, all Israel were required to gather about the sanctuary and in the most solemn manner humble their souls before God, that they might receive the pardon of their sins and not be cut off from the congregation. How much more essential in this antitypical Day of Atonement that we understand the work of our High Priest and know what duties are required of us.Men cannot with impunity reject the warning which God in mercy sends them. A message was sent from heaven to the world in Noah's day, and their salvation depended upon the manner in which they treated that message. Because they rejected the warning, the Spirit of God was withdrawn from the sinful race, and they perished in the waters of the Flood. In the time of Abraham, mercy ceased to plead with the guilty inhabitants of Sodom, and all but Lot with his wife and two daughters were consumed by the fire sent down from heaven. So in the days of Christ. The Son of God declared to the unbelieving Jews of that generation: "Your house is left unto you desolate." Matthew 23:38. Looking down to the last days, the same Infinite Power declares, concerning those who "received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved": "For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12. As they reject the teachings of His word, God withdraws His Spirit and leaves them to the deceptions which they love. But Christ still intercedes in man's behalf, and light will be given to those who seek it. Though this was not at first understood by Adventists, it was afterward made plain as the Scriptures which define their true position began to open before them. The passing of the time in 1844 was followed by a period of great trial to those who still held the advent faith. Their only relief, so far as ascertaining their true position was concerned, was the light which directed their minds to the sanctuary above. Some renounced their faith in their former reckoning of the prophetic periods and ascribed to human or satanic agencies the powerful influence of the Holy Spirit which had attended the advent movement. Another class firmly held that the Lord had led them in their past experience; and as they waited and watched and prayed to know the will of God they saw that their great High Priest had entered upon another work of ministration, and, following Him by faith, they were led to see also the closing work of the church. They had a clearer understanding of the first and second angels' messages, and were prepared to receive and give to the world the solemn warning of the third angel of Revelation 14. The Great Controversy, pp. 430-432.
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Turning and turning in the widening gyre/ The falcon cannot hear the falconer;/ things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world... Surely some revelation is at hand;/Surely the Second Coming is at hand. W.B. Yeats
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#175852 - 07/06/08 11:31 PM
Re: Help me answer this lady
[Re: John317]
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John, you make salvation hard! All this sanctuary stuff...slavation by knowledge is what you are teaching. It's a subtle form of legalism.
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#175853 - 07/06/08 11:38 PM
Re: Help me answer this lady
[Re: John317]
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... Just thought of something else, surely there are still two compartments right? The Bible plainly teaches that there are two compartments in the heavenly sanctuary, as does also Ellen White. The Sanctuary was where God met sinners [read Ex. 25:22; 29:42, 43]. Today He meets us in Christ [read 2 Cor. 5:19]. The Sanctuary was where God revealed Himself to sinners [read Ex. 29:46]. Today He reveals Himself to us in Christ [read John 14:7-9]. The Sanctuary was where God dwelt with sinners [read Ex. 25:8; 29:45, 46]. Today He dwells with us in Christ [read Matthew 1:23; John 14:23]. The Sanctuary was where God spoke to sinners [read Ex. 29:42; Lev. 1:1]. Today He speaks to us in Christ [read Hebrews 1:2; John 8:43, 47]. The Sanctuary was where God accepted sinners [read Lev. 1:4]. Today He accepts us in Christ [read Ephesians 1:6]. The Sanctuary was where God forgave sinners [read Lev. 4:20, 26, 31, 35]. Today He forgives us in Christ [read Ephesians 1:7]. Too often our emphasis on the sanctuary message is our own subjective experience, whereas its main purpose is to point to the truth as it is in Christ. [Jack Sequeria}
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#175859 - 07/07/08 12:22 AM
Re: Help me answer this lady
[Re: Robert]
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John, you make salvation hard! All this sanctuary stuff...slavation by knowledge is what you are teaching. It's a subtle form of legalism. Knowledge will not save anyone. When we get to heaven we will receive all the knowledge we need.
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#175887 - 07/07/08 04:33 AM
Re: Help me answer this lady
[Re: Redwood]
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John, you make salvation hard! All this sanctuary stuff...slavation by knowledge is what you are teaching. It's a subtle form of legalism. Knowledge will not save anyone. When we get to heaven we will receive all the knowledge we need. Yes, true knowledge of Jesus Christ and of salvation will save many. On the other hand, false beliefs will lead many people to be lost. It does matter what we believe. God gave us the illustration of the earthly sanctuary for a reason. It teaches us important lessons about the heavenly sanctuary and Christ's ministry there on behalf of those who put their faith in Him. That is the central theme of the book of Hebrews. As Ellen White has said, " Important truths concerning the atonement are taught by the typical service." Again, "It is those who by faith follow Jesus in the great work of the atonement who receive the benefits of His mediation in their behalf, while those who reject the light which brings to view this work of ministration are not benefited thereby....The condition of the unbelieving Jews illustrates the condition of the careless and unbelieving among professed Christians, who are willingly ignorant of the work of our merciful High Priest... How much more essential in this antitypical Day of Atonement that we understand the work of our High Priest and know what duties are required of us." What important truths? What benefits? What work of our High Priest? What duties is it essential for us to understand?"And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent" (John 17:3). Knowledge of God and of Christ is important. In fact, according to 1 John 5, it is indeed everything. "And know that you have learned from your childhood the holy scriptures which are able to make you wise to salvation through faith in Jesus Christ. All scripture [including Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, and Hebrews] written by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness; so that God's people may become complete, thoroughly perfected for every good work." 2 Tim. 3: 15-17.
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Turning and turning in the widening gyre/ The falcon cannot hear the falconer;/ things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world... Surely some revelation is at hand;/Surely the Second Coming is at hand. W.B. Yeats
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#175895 - 07/07/08 05:00 AM
Re: Help me answer this lady
[Re: Robert]
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The Sanctuary was where God met sinners [read Ex. 25:22; 29:42, 43]. Today He meets us in Christ [read 2 Cor. 5:19]. The Sanctuary was where God revealed Himself to sinners [read Ex. 29:46]. Today He reveals Himself to us in Christ [read John 14:7-9]. The Sanctuary was where God dwelt with sinners [read Ex. 25:8; 29:45, 46]. Today He dwells with us in Christ [read Matthew 1:23; John 14:23]. The Sanctuary was where God spoke to sinners [read Ex. 29:42; Lev. 1:1]. Today He speaks to us in Christ [read Hebrews 1:2; John 8:43, 47]. The Sanctuary was where God accepted sinners [read Lev. 1:4]. Today He accepts us in Christ [read Ephesians 1:6]. The Sanctuary was where God forgave sinners [read Lev. 4:20, 26, 31, 35]. Today He forgives us in Christ [read Ephesians 1:7].
[Jack Sequeria}
All of the above is quite true, but there is no contradiction between those things and the truth that we learn about Christ's High Priestly ministry today by studying the heavenly sanctuary. In fact, the things Jack Sequeira mentions are complemented and illuminated by a close study of what Christ is doing between his ascension and the Second Coming.
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Turning and turning in the widening gyre/ The falcon cannot hear the falconer;/ things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world... Surely some revelation is at hand;/Surely the Second Coming is at hand. W.B. Yeats
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#175896 - 07/07/08 05:55 AM
Re: Help me answer this lady
[Re: John317]
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Is there Bible evidence or reason to believe that Jesus went from the Holy to the Most Holy Place in 1844 as SDAs claim?
Check this out:
Notice that in Daniel 7: 9-28, the throne of God has wheels. Of course there is only one reason for wheels, and that is for movement. God's throne is in the heavenly sanctuary and if it moves prior to the judgment referred to in Daniel 7: 9, 10, it's obvious that the throne moves somewhere within the sanctuary and not outside of it.
Notice also that Rev. 11: 19 speaks of the inner sanctuary being opened and people's attention being drawn to the ark of God's covenant. The context has to do with judgment, as shown in verse 18, and by comparison of these verses and those in Daniel 7 and Rev. 14: 7, where the message goes out to the world, "The hour of His judgment is come."
You will observe in Dan 7: 9-12 that the Father has moved his throne and is waiting for the judgment to begin. What is He waiting for? Verse 13 then says that "One like the Son of Man" comes to the Father. Verse 26 also refers to "the court." This is obviously describing the time when Jesus comes to the Father prior to the commencement of the judgment before the Second Coming.
This all proves that in the context of the court or trial, the throne of God moves. Where does it move? It only makes sense that it moves within the heavenly sanctuary. Where would that be? Based on Rev. 11: 19, it would be from the holy place to the Most Holy where all eyes are focused just before the coming of Christ.
Remember that the seven last plagues come from God out of the temple in heaven. Rev. 15: 8; 16: 1, 17. God's sanctuary in heaven is the center of all of God's activity at this time. Therefore we may be sure that when the throne of God is moved on its wheels, it is moving within the sanctuary, not outside of it. And I would submit that the most sensible place for it to move is from the holy to the Most Holy where the ark of God is located.
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Turning and turning in the widening gyre/ The falcon cannot hear the falconer;/ things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world... Surely some revelation is at hand;/Surely the Second Coming is at hand. W.B. Yeats
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