30 days FREE then token amount every month for FULL membership. Cancel at any time.
ALL FULL MEMBERS CAN TURN THIS COLUMN OFF!!
To become a full member, and view more forums sign up on one of these! It sometimes takes a few hours to change your account.
Please contact Stan, after you register if you live in a developing Country or have other financial hardships, for a scholarship.
IF YOUR COUNTRY IS NOT LIST OR IF YOU LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES

- - - - - - - - - - -

IF YOU LIVE IN NEW ZEALAND

- - - - - - - - - - -

IF YOU LIVE IN AUSTRALIA

- - - - - - - - - - -

IF YOU LIVE IN GREAT BRITAIN

- - - - - - - - - - -

IF YOU LIVE IN EUROPE

- - - - - - - - - - -

LIVE IN MEXICO

* * * NEW * * * NEW * * * NEW * * *
Page 2 of 5 < 1 2 3 4 5 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#176214 - 07/10/08 03:43 AM Re: Is This For Real-- A Car That Runs 200 Miles On Compressed Air? [Re: melvin mccarty]
Bravus Offline
Husband and Father

Registered: 09/05/04
Posts: 6179
Loc: Brisbane, Australia
Quote:
fill the car’s carbon-fiber tanks with 340 liters of air at 4350 psi

(for those who missed it in the original article)

It's definitely an interesting technology. Like hydrogen, it's only an energy transfer tool, not an energy production tool. But within that it's interesting - and compressed air is lighter than the batteries in an electric vehicle.
_________________________
If evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve

Top
#176223 - 07/10/08 05:29 AM Re: Is This For Real-- A Car That Runs 200 Miles On Compressed Air? [Re: Bravus]
Shane Offline
Administrator of Foro Adventista

Registered: 02/02/02
Posts: 15727
Loc: Rio Grande Valley, Texas
However if the electricity is being generated by a clean source, this is a good solution.
_________________________
I reserve the humble right to be wrong.

Link > Shane's Page - update in progress

Top
#176331 - 07/11/08 02:41 AM Re: Is This For Real-- A Car That Runs 200 Miles On Compressed Air? [Re: Bravus]
melvin mccarty Offline


Registered: 05/18/02
Posts: 533
Loc: B,C.
How much will storage tanks weigh that will hold a pressure of 4350 psi? How much heat (wasted energy) is generated in a 4350 psi compression and where will you find all those compressors capable of attaining that pressure? Not in any old garage or handymans basement. Must be uncomfortable to hold your tongue in your cheek so long....lol mel

Top
#176340 - 07/11/08 04:12 AM Re: Is This For Real-- A Car That Runs 200 Miles On Compressed Air? [Re: melvin mccarty]
olger Offline


Registered: 12/27/05
Posts: 2783
Loc: Ohio
Some sort of heavy duty screw compressor with a generous reduction chamber...

About a 45:1 ratio - it could be done.

Top
#176387 - 07/11/08 06:43 PM Re: Is This For Real-- A Car That Runs 200 Miles On Compressed Air? [Re: olger]
melvin mccarty Offline


Registered: 05/18/02
Posts: 533
Loc: B,C.
It could be done could it? And the heavy duty fittings and hoses to handle the pressure? And is that all included in the cost of the vehicle? So if you were to buy said vehicle you would also need all that other expensive high pressure equipment that does not now exist. And make sure wherever you go someone will be able to recharge your tank. Did you notice the big grin on the face of the guy in the video? How about testing and licencing those extremely high pressures?

Have fun!!

mel

Top
#176468 - 07/12/08 06:41 AM Re: Is This For Real-- A Car That Runs 200 Miles On Compressed Air? [Re: melvin mccarty]
Shane Offline
Administrator of Foro Adventista

Registered: 02/02/02
Posts: 15727
Loc: Rio Grande Valley, Texas
The high pressure equipment already exists. It is used for power storage by wind turbines and a few power plants in Germany and here in the US.
_________________________
I reserve the humble right to be wrong.

Link > Shane's Page - update in progress

Top
#176595 - 07/13/08 04:40 AM Re: Is This For Real-- A Car That Runs 200 Miles On Compressed Air? [Re: Shane]
olger Offline


Registered: 12/27/05
Posts: 2783
Loc: Ohio
I anticipate that they would regulate the pressure down right out of the tank, like oxygen or nitrogen tanks. We have several nitrogen tanks that we use to blanket moisture sensitive drums. They come at about 2500 psi, I believe.

I'd have to know more about the air car. I understand your questions Melvin, and we don't know all the specs yet. It's Interesting.


oG

Top
#176597 - 07/13/08 04:43 AM Re: Is This For Real-- A Car That Runs 200 Miles On Compressed Air? [Re: olger]
Shane Offline
Administrator of Foro Adventista

Registered: 02/02/02
Posts: 15727
Loc: Rio Grande Valley, Texas
If one compressed air enough it becomes liquid and air is 70% nitrogen so that gives us an idea of what is going on. There is also an Australian car company working on a rotary air motor but it is not as advanced as MDI's.
_________________________
I reserve the humble right to be wrong.

Link > Shane's Page - update in progress

Top
#176680 - 07/13/08 11:55 PM Re: Is This For Real-- A Car That Runs 200 Miles On Compressed Air? [Re: olger]
melvin mccarty Offline


Registered: 05/18/02
Posts: 533
Loc: B,C.
Yes I have used many "bottles" of oxygen and acetelene etc. and I know what those containers weigh. A few cubic feet of gas at around 2500 psi comes in a very strong container which is relatively very heavy. If there are new materials which are really strong enough and light enough to make the air car practical why are we not using them in the bottled gas industry and saving millions in freight costs?

mel

Top
#176713 - 07/14/08 04:35 AM Re: Is This For Real-- A Car That Runs 200 Miles On Compressed Air? [Re: melvin mccarty]
Shane Offline
Administrator of Foro Adventista

Registered: 02/02/02
Posts: 15727
Loc: Rio Grande Valley, Texas
The tank is made out of carbonate and is made to split during an accident thus allowing the air to escape safely. I haven't read how fragile the tanks are but I would imagine the steel tanks compressed gas is stored in is not nearly as fragile.
_________________________
I reserve the humble right to be wrong.

Link > Shane's Page - update in progress

Top
Page 2 of 5 < 1 2 3 4 5 >


Vegefood store

Be sure to click on the free shipping at the checkout else you get charged.



Who's Online
1 Registered (dgrimm60), 22 Guests and 12 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Shout Box

The Chat Room

Come Chat with others,
open 24/7

Newest Members
Steel210, mathewhadley, Clive, Billy Dennis, ralphgeiger
2841 Registered Users
Adventist Ministries










l

Forum Members Books

















Forum Stats
2841 Members
136 Forums
16824 Topics
156790 Posts

Max Online: 1237 @ 04/20/07 08:43 PM
Top Posters
Amelia 17798
Shane 15727
Robert 14457
Gail 13222
Neil D 12006
John317 7371
Gerry Cabalo 7225
Naomi 7196
Gregory Matthews 7069
Bravus 6179
Nan 5833
Shirley 5292
ChildofChrist 5038
cricket 4747