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#176835 - 07/15/08 03:57 AM Gitmo Innocents
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Report: In 2002 CIA Warned 1/3 of Gitmo Prisoners Were Innocent
Jane Mayer also reveals that the Bush administration ignored warnings from the CIA six years ago that up to a third of the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay may have been imprisoned by mistake. In 2002, a CIA analyst concluded that many of the prisoners were essentially bystanders who had been swept up in dragnets or turned over to the US military by bounty hunters. Mayer also reveals that the CIA is investigating whether its agents kidnapped at least six innocent men and held them in secret prisons as part of the agency’s extraordinary rendition program. Only one of the cases—that of Khalid El-Masri—has ever come to light.

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#176840 - 07/15/08 04:09 AM Re: Gitmo Innocents [Re: carolaa]
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In a related story...

Seventh-day Adventist missionary, Eric B. Hare, perhaps the greatest children's storyteller in the history of Adventism, was taken captive by the Japanese Army and held as a prisoner against his will. Pastor Hare was not a member of any Allied military force. He was 100% innocent. He was all about peace and love. Yet despite all the good he was doing in the world Japan captured him and held him prisoner.


The wicked, evil, hate-filled and war mongering United States of America dropped not one but TWO atomic bombs on Japan in order to secure the release of Pastor Hare because President Trueman wanted to force the religion on the entire globe and make every single last man, woman, child and household cat into a Christian. After all Jesus rules with an iron rod and if the USA is to be like Christ they must drop atomic bombs on all nations that hold innocent Seventh-day Adventist missionaries prisoner.

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#176842 - 07/15/08 04:12 AM Re: Gitmo Innocents [Re: Shane]
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#176843 - 07/15/08 04:13 AM Re: Gitmo Innocents [Re: Shane]
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I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're trying to say.

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#176844 - 07/15/08 04:17 AM Re: Gitmo Innocents [Re: carolaa]
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I think it is well established that in every war in history innocent people have been taken prisoner. That shouldn't be a newsflash to anyone. It is sad but as Pastor Eric B. Hare knew, a true fact of war.
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#176847 - 07/15/08 04:21 AM Re: Gitmo Innocents [Re: Shane]
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Originally Posted By: Shane
I think it is well established that in every war in history innocent people have been taken prisoner. That shouldn't be a newsflash to anyone. It is sad but as Pastor Eric B. Hare knew, a true fact of war.


But I thought Gitmo was for the "worst of the worst," the ones who are undoubtedly the greatest threats to world security. They have been held and tortured for years. And a third of them are innocent?!!!

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#176852 - 07/15/08 04:28 AM Re: Gitmo Innocents [Re: carolaa]
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We don't know that 1/3 of them were innocent any more than we know 2/3 of them were guilty. There are a lot of people that want to write reports and books and make a lot of money. There are a lot of prisoners taken that never went Gitmo. We don't know what the screening process was. There is a lot we don't know so I am very hesitant to jump on some ideologue's bandwagon and either support or criticize what was done or is being done.
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#176854 - 07/15/08 04:35 AM Re: Gitmo Innocents [Re: Shane]
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Why don't we know? Because they weren't tried. If the rule of law had been followed and trials instituted immediately, we would know.
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#176855 - 07/15/08 04:41 AM Re: Gitmo Innocents [Re: Shane]
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So, let me get this straight chronicologically....

These guys were taken by US military to Gitmo. They have been held for over 5 years. They have been interogated many times during those 5 years, and the military probably aquired all the useful information within the first year of thier imprisionment. They military KNEW who was innocent and who had useful information and who did not. The military persists in declaring that all these men, whether innocent or not, are guilty by association that they were in the same country as Saddam....And yet, this persistant CIA report says that 1/3 of those prisoners were innocent bystanders.....

What a smear on American sense of justice....So much for the "American way" of truth justice and the American way....

PS- I expected better of MY American military.....


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#176860 - 07/15/08 04:51 AM Re: Gitmo Innocents [Re: Bravus]
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Originally Posted By: Bravus
Why don't we know?


I don't know because I wasn't there and I hear conflicting reports from different sources with various levels of credibility. My honest opinion is that liberals believe their liberal sources because they want to. Conservatives believe their conservative sources because they want to. I try to be honest with myself. I listen to sources on both side and admit I don't know. I am certainly not going to jump on anyone's bandwagon.

Originally Posted By: Bravus
they weren't tried. If the rule of law had been followed and trials instituted immediately, we would know.


I don't think Pastor Eric B. Hare was ever tried either. The problem is that we are in a conflict that as not been defined in history like wars between two established nations have been. So we don't have presidents or international agreements that we are bound to.
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