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#178703 - 07/30/08 05:53 AM Gospel Christians
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Just a question that occurred to me today:

If you took just the four Gospels - the reported words and deeds of Jesus - as your whole Scripture, how would your beliefs and actions and worldview change?
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#178705 - 07/30/08 05:59 AM Re: Gospel Christians [Re: Bravus]
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Well, I'd be eating more fish....and doing more fishing....both of fish and men.....

you know, it occurs to me that fishing with non-christian men might be a good time to talk Christian talk to some guys...
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#178716 - 07/30/08 08:09 AM Re: Gospel Christians [Re: Neil D]
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If you only took the 4 Gospels, you would still be a Sabbath-keeping Christian. See all the references to the Sabbath and some that explicitly puts the Sabbath as the seventh-day of the week. [For example see Matthew 28:1 "After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb."]

We would also be looking for the return of Jesus. This is promised to us in John 14:1-3.

So we would be still Seventh-day Adventist Christians even though working only from the Gospels.
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#178717 - 07/30/08 08:40 AM Re: Gospel Christians [Re: doctorj]
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Agreed - although we might have a more nuanced understanding of the role and purpose of the Sabbath, given that a fair bit of the Gospels involves Jesus getting in trouble because He or his disciples weren't keeping it as others expected!

But that's a good point on the two headline issues of our faith. What else?
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#178720 - 07/30/08 09:26 AM Re: Gospel Christians [Re: Bravus]
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Baptism by immersion would still be a major player, as both John the Baptist and Jesus demonstrated Baptism. We would also possibly still have the "ordinance" service of washing feet and taking the bread and wine.
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#178726 - 07/30/08 02:52 PM Re: Gospel Christians [Re: doctorj]
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Good point. All of the major teachings of the Seventh-day Adventist church are to be found in the Gospels. Some people give Bible studies all from the Gospel of John. Doing it that way shows how Christ-centered all of our fundamental teachings really are.
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#178731 - 07/30/08 04:00 PM Re: Gospel Christians [Re: Neil D]
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Quote:
fishing with non-christian men might be a good time to talk Christian talk to some guys...


I have a friend, a minister, who does just that! He had 11 baptisms in a small country town last year! His is an amazing story of a young man with a country background, with little education, plus a slight speech defect, but, after his own conversion, a burning desire to become a minister. He was repeatedly told he would never make the grade. They hadn't counted on his determination plus God's help. With the backing of his wife, he went to Avondale --well, beginning with the high school, completing his basic education. Embarassed? No, he was on the way to becoming a minister! He graduated. He was eventually picked up by the WA Conference, and sent to 2 country churches. Right up his alley, as we say. He was only 50km from the ocean!

He made it a point of getting to know everyone in that area, and always just "dropped in while passing by". No religion -- unless, of course, they asked him a question, which he always answered, and steered the conversation to his wonderful God -- and left it at that.

He got his boat, and would set a date for the day's fishing, fill up his car (and a car or two of others)and head for the beach for a day's fishing.

He showed me the sign he had on his boat. I forget all of the details, but it was his "boat rules" --- no alcohol, no swearing, etc. etc., then the things they COULD do -- all the enjoyable bits, finishing with "you can ask me any Bible question that you like."

They had wonderful times fishing -- and inevitably, while they were eating lunch, someone would ask him some Bible question -- something they considered "really hard" -- but he was prepared for all of those questions he had asked before he became a christian. He would answer the question, and often the conversation would go on until it was time to hitch up the boat trailer, and make for home.

The town had its share of rowdy teenagers -- until they found out that if they behaved themselves, they would get a day out of his boat.

With God's help, that type of evangelism works!

Beryl
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#178747 - 07/30/08 08:47 PM Re: Gospel Christians [Re: Beryl]
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Awsome Beryl! I would love to meet that young pastor! His story should be told in the Adventist Review!

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#178914 - 08/01/08 04:04 AM Re: Gospel Christians [Re: Taylor]
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I'd be living the same as I am today.
Matthew 19:20 Go ye therefore and teach all nations.

I'd still go out into the world and build relationships
with people of all diversities, cultures and sub-cultures.

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#178958 - 08/01/08 11:49 AM Re: Gospel Christians [Re: janamarie]
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We'd learn much, but also miss a lot as the Gospels assume you know the Old Testament and it tells us how the Old Testament finally turned out. For one example, the book of John has a group of (I believe 7) signs, they are all based on Old Testament feasts and Hannukkah, While it does not all follow the same order, but they have the same ellements. Jesus picks aspects of the feast he wants to emphessise, says something about the feast focusing on the aspect he wants to emphessise, has an "I AM" saying focusing on the feast and the talk, and a sign illustrating the aspect of the feast Jesus wants to emphesise. If we are ignorant of the feasts we read the book of John but miss all the background.

Also, we'd be confused as to points where Mark and Luke dissagree with each other. One of these is in Mark no one knows who Jesus is until you come to the cross where a heathen, the Roman Centuran finally realized who Jesus is, and this guy who finally got it was so theologically ignorant that he expresses the truth with some horrible words that would send chills up and down the spine of any good monothiest. Luke on the other hand has everyone knowing who Jesus is, from Elizabeth before Jesus is even born, the shepherds, Simion and Anna etc. and when he gets to the centurian, instead of the centurian realizing that Jesus is divine (as in Mark) Luke only has him saying that Jesus was a good man, totally dissagreeing and down playing the climax of Mark.

With the whole Bible we realize that God works with problems like this and realize that while either Mark or Luke got their facts wrong, they both give different empheses on aspects of Jesus that we'd not have both aspects if we only had one of the two books or if Mark and Luke liked each other better and agreed with each other more.

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