PLease assure me that you are making this up as a poor joke....because, it is the most ludicrous thing that has been said here in a long time.

Unless you have hard evidence, you have absolutely NO BUSINESS saying anything like this. These rumors only feed a poor adventist myth.

I have talked with priests before....Let me assure you..we are NOT on thier radar at all. And any references to the same is perpetrating a sad neurotic idea that we are the center of the universe....WE are NOT.. Jesus is....let's be clear on that...and any reference that WE some how bring about the end of the world or that the catholic church leadership wants to silence us because of THE TRUTH...is up for the worlds greatest dysfunctional person award.

Spot on!

As to being the center of the universe, couldn't be more in agreement with you. In fact there is probably little doubt that the more highly visible Adventists become, the more of a laughing stock they will be to the vast majority of the world.

I also remember another little known figure who was the laughing stock of the vast majority of the world. His behavior was a sight that brought derision and ridicule beyond anything any person up to his time had ever experienced. His religion was the least noted and the most highly disdained by almost all other religious wise men of his day, not to mention the secular world.

That is, of course, until the first rain drops began to fall. Some probably, though they had never experienced them before, laughed raucously at the piddly little drops that fell so softly and harmlessly on their skin.

But I imagine after a few hours of worsening natural phenomena there may have been not a few whose brows began to crease in anxiety, as their minds went back to the words they refused to heed, being at that time so sure of the stupidity of the crazy old coot who believed in talking to an invisible God Who was going to bring, what was it the old coot called it, a deluge or flood? Something that couldn't possibly happen, as it had never happened before in the history of the world.

"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." Matthew 24:14 KJV

" And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning." John 15:27 NKJV
Regards!

Let's get something straight. I happen to know a thing or two about " ol' coots", since I 'claim to be an "ol' coot".

And the 'ol coot' that you are refering to, was talkin' Jesus...not the end of the world. "If you don't believe in Jesus, you will drown", says he. And look at the result of that pointed message.... that message, that way of preaching got us.....a world full of dead bloated bodies...and only 8 people lived thru that.

This time the message is specific....it isn't about anyone except Jesus. It's about the lovely Jesus...IT ISN'T ABOUT US....Seventh-day Adventists maybe refered to, but the message of the SDAs is a sign pointing. If the sign is taken down, there are other signs that will point to Jesus as well....anyone who thinks tha WE ,the people, are needed to preach the message need to look to Moses when he commanded water out of a rock...It cost him his life and a forfiture of the promised land. We would do well to listen REEEEAAAAALLLLL carefully to that story.

For the most part, their beliefs are the same as the Seventh Day Adventist church. They are like a city of refuge for Adventists who get disfellowshipped for whatever reason. They consider themselves reformed. You can't judge people for joining them.

I don't know much about their teachings or methods, but I never said I agree with it or endorse it. But consider this. The wolves are hungry for blood and if they see a sheep wander from the flock do you think they care if that sheep's doctrine is pure?

Yes this also served the Papacy by striking a blow at the Seventh Day Adventist church, which is the last mainstream church that still teaches that the Papacy is the Antichrist. Since that time many have been saying the SDA church is a cult. It wasn't the Davidians' fault. The things that where said where lies.

The fact is the Branch Davidian organization is now owned and operated by the Jesuits so it would be very bad to join them. More on this later...



What he did or what false witnesses said he did? I heard Shawn Boonstra, (It Is Written), say that David Koresh claimed to be the incarnation of Christ. Where's the evidence for that? Where's a tape or video or anything where we hear David Koresh saying that he was the incarnation of Christ?

Does anyone ever mention how the man revolutionized Christian music? He was a genius. He actually used contemporary style music work for Christian themes. No one has ever been able to pull that off. It was not like "Christian Rock", which is ridiculous and sad. The music was actually spiritual like Sandy Patti and the Cadet Sisters.

I won't be surprised if we see him in the first resurrection with his ONE wife and his THREE children and with most of those who perished in the fire rather than deny their faith.



It was probably the Jesuits that persuaded them to enter into the gun dealing business so the ATF would have a reason to go out there. But it's just a business, for money. It was nothing illegal or immoral. In Texas people have lots of guns. It's a big hobby there. They go to gun shows all the time and many in Texas are very proud of their collection of guns.

But it was just money. Why not tell Amazing Facts to take their stock out of the technology companies? Many ministries have secular business. It has always been this way. Paul continued making tents. Was he wrong for that?

But think of how useful guns are. What if a coyote is eating your chickens? What if you can kill a turkey or even a deer for $400 worth of meat. What if bandits are raiding your home? What if a rapist wants to rape your wife while you watch and then kill your children and then you? Should you curl up in a corner and cry? Or do you defend yourself and your family with a gun? What does the Bible say?

1 Tim. 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.



The ATF where the first to fire, or they wouldn't have destroyed so much evidence. It was probably the Jesuit spies inside that returned fire. The four ATF agents where probably killed by their own people under top secret orders. Or else how do you explain that all 4 of those agents where formerly Bill Clinton's body guards? It was a convenient opportunity for the Clinton administration to get rid of some guys that had information that would have got the administration in big trouble had the information leaked. World leaders kill their own people all the time. Read again the conspiracy David made to kill Uriah in 2 Samuel 11.

What's tragic is the Davidians weren't up on the latest news in the mainstream church, or they would have been leery of the Jesuits.
-- They didn't see James Arribito's videos.
-- Or study Alberto Rivera's testimony.
-- Or read "50 Years in the Church of Rome" by Charles Chiniquy
-- Or read "The Secret History of the Jesuits" by Edmond Paris
-- Or read what Ellen White said about the Jesuits.

This should teach us to be more watchful, not give us something to laugh about. Wow.

God will never use the Papacy to judge anyone. The Papacy is the abomination of desolation. The Assyrians where idolaters, but they had some sense of honor. They didn't publish false reports about Israel and tell the whole world they where molesting children and what-not.

Let us also consider that things have changed alot in many ways. What's the difference between Elijah who called down fire from God to destroy 102 men, (2 Kings 1:10-12), and the Disciples who asked:

Luke 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw [this], they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

What did Jesus say?

9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save [them]...

To all who say the destruction of the Davidians was a judgment from God, I say just what Jesus said: "Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of." That's not how God does things.

Consider another thing:

Luke 13:1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
13:2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
13:4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Jesus was saying this was a foreshadow of a judgment. But considering our past, I would say the Waco massacre was a foreshadow of another inquisition. In the future, all Sabbath keepers will be thus condemned by the public and hunted and slaughtered and burned alive and imprisoned for life if they will not renounce their faith and kiss the crucifix of Rome and the fallen power hungry Protestants and Evangelicals who unite with Rome.

We would like to think what happened to the Davidians was a judgment from God, and we can breath easy. We're mainstream. They can't get to us. That was them, not us.

I would like to believe that. I don't want to sit here and get ridiculed by all these scoffers who laugh and scorn and revile, though there will be no revilers in heaven, (1 Cor. 6:10). I do myself a great dis-service by sticking my neck out for the martyrs at Waco and for testifying against their murderers. I ruin my credibility. Now when I stand against New Theology and other doctrines of devils, people will think of this and not take me seriously.

But it's just too suspicious the way all these things happened. And those poor souls who are in prison for 40 years for conspiracy to commit murder? What a ridiculous charge. They where out there doing Bible studies when the real murderers came and start shooting at them and waited for the whole world to watch before they burned them alive. And they are not allowed to talk to anyone because they would prove the false witnesses false. This smells like the Inquisition.

Do we care about them? Do we petition for them? Do we try to visit them? Do we send letters for them? Or do assume they are being judged by God because their doctrine was maybe a little bit off?

Matt. 25:43 I was ... in prison, and ye visited me not.
25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee ... in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
25:45 Then shall he answer .. saying ... Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me.
25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

How many people do you suppose visited John Huss in prison when the whole civilized world was told he was a devil and had no reason not to believe all the lies published about him? Catholic scholars took his writings out of context and made it look like John Huss claimed to be the "4th person of the Godhead". They put on him a ridiculous Pope hat with a picture of a devil on it when he went to his execution.

Another story. Maccabees may be apocrypha, but there's a story in it that may be based on fact. It was in "The 7th Day" presentation. About those Jews who where worshiping in a cave and where beset by the Romans and they refused to come out of the cave because it was the Sabbath so the Romans smoked the cave out and killed them all.

Those Romans where probably more honorable than the ATF and FBI agents who murdered the Davidians. The ATF came upon the compound and just started firing and they claimed the Davidians fired first. The claimed bullets came through the door from the inside. But where's the door? It's gone. The door was never found. Where are the 4 tapes from the 4 cameras that filmed the initial shootout? All four tapes are gone! I suppose you would say that was just a coincidence!

The Jesuits made up so many stories. They said David Koresh sired many children there. Where's the DNA evidence of one child besides the 3 that where his by his only one wife? There is no DNA because he had only one wife and 3 children, like he said. Those stories are just like the stories made up about the Waldensees. This wreaks of the Papacy.



Where's this video where David Koresh announces that he's the Messiah? I'd sure like to see that.

One time his rival claimed he got his mom pregnant, and he said: "If I can get a 70 year old woman pregnant, you better watch out....... I'm God." Obviously he was joking. But they cut that part out and played the part where he said "I'm God" over and over again, to make it look like David Koresh was actually claiming to be God.

Will you take sides with these kinds of liars? That's what discourages me. The eagerness everyone has to share the sin of false witness. Do you think false witness is not that bad of a sin? Have the New Theology devils convinced you that sin isn't that bad?

Your addition of words to the scripture may fit your perception, however it does not relay the story as given. God speaks to human kind in the force and Word to which they are most apt to listen. Those that were lost in the flood were not lost because the tone of God's voice wasn't correct nor because He chose the wrong preacher.

"But he said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.'" Luke 16:31 NASB



Moses was told to strike the rock as an object lesson of the Rock of Ages, Who was to be struck down for the salvation of many. Moses listened and obeyed and the peopled received lifegiving water.
The second time water was needed, Moses was told to speak to the rock for the gift of water, an object lesson for succeeding generations that the Rock, after being slain, would then be able to be spoken to that one might receive the Water of Life. Moses, for whatever reason, chose to strike the rock twice, destroying God's object lesson.

Though Moses lost his life to death before entering the promised land, it is evident he did not lose his eternal reward, I'm sure you wouldn't argue, was far more rewarding than entering the earthly promised land.

"Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee." Jude 1:9 KJV

" And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light.
And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him." Matthew 17:2,3 NASB

God can always fulfill His will without us except for the will to save the soul who determines not to accept the gifts Jesus offers, for Jesus acquiesces to man's right to choose contrary to the will of God.
As for His need for people, His desire to use the Body of Christ for the salvation of others is incontrovertable.

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." Mark 16:15 KJV

"How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"
But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our message?" Romans 10:14-16 TNIV

"For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe." 1 Corinthians 1:21 KJV
Regards!