The same significance of the Sabbath ... applies today as a sign....

If the seal of God is currently the Sabbath, then Sunday-keepers have the mark of the beast. You can't have one without the other.

The same is true with Babylon. Babylon is not yet fallen. She hasn't apostatized from the everlasting gospel because she hasn't heard it.

Likewise, the Sabbath as the seal of God makes no sense right now. It's future. What's important is the restoration of the gospel. Even Ellen White confirms this:


One interest will prevail, one subject will swallow up every other,--Christ our righteousness.

Circumcision is not any part of the New Covenant.

Let's continue the discussion about this very question.

I see you are using quotes again of Ellen White. Since you are using her, why not go ahead and study what she says about the subject under discussion?

Since you quote what Ellen White says here, it would only be fair to find out what the Spirit of prophecy says about Christ our righteousness.

What does she mean? What is she talking about?

What I am going to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt is that these signs, the Sabbath and circumcision, are inadvertently connected.

In both cases I will show that believers are accounted righteous by faith alone in the doing of Christ and that their Sabbath keeping does not make them righteous. But to understand this truth you must understand why circumcision was required of Abraham 24 years down the road.

There are heavy implications in this study. For one I’ll show that many SDA are in the same camp as the Judiazers of Paul’s time. As the Judizers required the sign of circumcision in order to be saved [not cut off] so too do many Adventists require the same of the Sabbath.

Nope...she had limited light. She only had a glimmer of the light that was yet to come. She saw futuristic things, but she couldn't always define them.

So let's use the Bible for the measuring stick of truth, okay? In fact it was Ellen that said, "The Bible and the Bible only!"

ROBERT-- What happened 24 years later where circumcision became a requirement of God?

Let's start out with some facts:

Genesis 11:12 The LORD had said to Abram, “Leave your country, your people and your father’s household and go to the land I will show you. 2 I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you"....4 So Abram left, as the LORD had told him; and Lot went with him. Abram was seventy-five years old when he set out from Haran.

17:1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, “I am God Almighty; walk before me and be blameless [i.e., as I will show you later, blameless in his faith]... 10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. ....13 My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

Okay, 99 minus 75 is what? Right, you math heads...24 years!

For 24 years no sign of faith was required of Abraham by God, but then something changed! Let's return to Paul:


"And he received [24 years later] the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised."

Note that circumcision, 24 years later, became a sign or seal of the righteous that Abraham already had by faith alone. This sign, although unusual, was a symbol of the righteousness by faith Abraham already had while uncircumcised.....

Let’s go to Gen 15:4-6: God came to Abraham and said,

“A son coming from your own body will be your heir...Look up at the heavens and count the stars—if indeed you can count them. Then he said to him, So shall your offspring be. Abram believed the LORD, and he credited it to him as righteousness.”

Did Abraham really believe God? Sure....He took God at His word. Hence we was accounted righteous by faith, but when the rubber met the road...when reality came in, we will see that Abraham's faith was really immature. How so?

Abraham's wife (Sarah), an instrument of unbelief, came to Abraham and said,

“The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant….” [Gen 16:2]

Did you notice how Sarah blames God? That reminds me of a woman who cheated on her husband. She said that God didn't stop her from cheating and so it was God's fault. Weird!

Anyway, what does good old Abraham do with his wife's instructions? He complied! So we see that Abraham really didn’t believe God's promise concerning a child from Sarah. Instead of being counted righteous by faith he followed his wife’s program of works. Essentially Abraham, Sarah and Hagar tried to HELP God produce “the child of promise”! How righteous of them! Now look at the problems in the Middle East.