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#191924 - 10/10/08 04:05 AM Re: "Yes, I believe evolution is true." [Re: BobRyan]
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How did Jesus feed the 5,000 with two loaves and three fish? Was it not a demonstration of His creative powers? How did He turn water into wine? I suggest we have no reason to believe that God stopped using His creative powers after the six-day creation week.
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#192117 - 10/11/08 03:18 AM Re: "Yes, I believe evolution is true." [Re: Shane]
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The basket suddenly evolve a "field of fish" just then.

We know that because otherwise God tricking them into making it LOOK like all those fish fit into that basket when of course we know that can not possibly be.

If God were going to be above board on this -- he would make sure they all saw fish appearing out of thin air and falling into the basket as needed -- rather than making it look like the much more natural occuring act of simply taking fish out of a basket.



Edited by BobRyan (10/11/08 03:22 AM)

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#192126 - 10/11/08 03:28 AM Re: "Yes, I believe evolution is true." [Re: BobRyan]
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A terrible massacre of straw men yet again: who here is claiming God cannot do miracles or never does? No-one.
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#192130 - 10/11/08 03:31 AM Re: "Yes, I believe evolution is true." [Re: Bravus]
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Ok so -- creating the world in SIX days?

World wide Flood?

Literal account of long-lived humans preflood?

God creates all animals eating plants not people?

A complete reversal of Darwinism's proposals?

in Christ,

Bob

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#192131 - 10/11/08 03:33 AM Re: "Yes, I believe evolution is true." [Re: BobRyan]
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Yep, He absolutely can do all of those things.

The question is not whether He can but whether He did - and if He did, why He made the world look as though He didn't.
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#192160 - 10/11/08 03:54 AM Re: "Yes, I believe evolution is true." [Re: Bravus]
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The question is -- what does the Bible say (no bending it to fit Darwinism -- just read the text).

The next question is -- what does science SHOW us -- (no bending it to fit Darwinism's story telling - just good verifiable demonstratable SCIENCE).

And then the last question is - given the gap that MUST exist between the two - what are the best next steps in science to discovering more "factual details" about how things work - and how things workED.

in other words -- avoid the story telling of Darwinism at every step.

in Christ,

Bob


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#192164 - 10/11/08 03:57 AM Re: "Yes, I believe evolution is true." [Re: BobRyan]
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Evolution is a farce that does not address the presence of morality because it cannot. Molecular matter cannot autodevelop morality.

and..

"God has permitted a flood of light to be poured upon the world, in both science and art; but when professedly scientific men treat upon these subjects from a merely human point of view, they will assuredly come to wrong conclusions. It may be innocent to speculate beyond what God's word has revealed, if our theories do not contradict facts found in the Scriptures; but those who leave the word of God, and seek to account for his created works upon scientific principles, are drifting, without chart or compass, upon an unknown ocean. The greatest minds, if not guided by the word of God in their research, become bewildered in their attempts to trace the relations of science and revelation. Because the Creator and his works are so far beyond their comprehension that they are unable to explain them by natural laws, they regard Bible history as unreliable. Those who doubt the reliability of the records of the Old and New Testaments, will be led to go a step farther, and doubt the existence of God; and then, having lost their anchor, they are left to beat about upon the rocks of infidelity."

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#192172 - 10/11/08 04:08 AM Re: "Yes, I believe evolution is true." [Re: olger]
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The problem is in that ...

" It may be innocent to speculate beyond what God's word has revealed, if our theories do not contradict facts found in the Scriptures"

The "guesses" that are driven by an atheist world view would argue that all we see must have come about through natural causes EVEN IF I don't actually SEE reptiles becoming birds and even if I don't SEE abiogenesis happening -- even if I don't SEE transitional forms coming about -- I must "believe in them anyway" if I am an atheist and my argument is that "that is the only way these species could have come about".

If I am a Christian I have some other options -- the real question is that given the junk-science history and confirmed frauds of atheism -- why would any Christian feel forced into giving evolutionism a second thought?

in Christ,

Bob

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#192189 - 10/11/08 04:25 AM Re: "Yes, I believe evolution is true." [Re: olger]
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Is that why you think evolution is a farce? Because it's not a theory of everything?
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#192190 - 10/11/08 04:27 AM Re: "Yes, I believe evolution is true." [Re: Vera]
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Why no. Because it's not true.

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