I don't think anyone here is saying that Taylor. Do you?

Well it seems as if some think that John3:17 is saying that one has to be sinless and can never make even "innocent" mistakes.

And it seems that Robert is so appalled by that that he wants to make sure we all know we aren't perfect.

I don't think the accusations or "feelings" of either side are accurate.

I just think that we are saved by grace alone but that Christ does give victory over sin.

Just my 2 cents and I am not upset with anyone.

"And it seems that Robert is so appalled by that that he wants to make sure we all know we aren't perfect."

:) I tried not to smile at this but failed..
Well spoken sister.

This is everything. Not much more to be said if we realize what this means in our personal lives.

1 John 1: 6-7 said it well--

6 If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

The future is NOW. There is absolutely nothing in either the Bible or the Spirit of prophecy that warrants our putting off the teaching of the Sabbath.

The gospel is being restored now, and part of that gospel is the fact that God doesn't change. That is good news!! He is still the Creator and His holy law is immutable. That is great news!

The gospel has been in the process of being restored since about 1798. The truth as it is in Jesus has been suppressed and attempts were made to change both it and the moral law of God. Those attempts failed.

What some people don't realize is that a change in the law means a change in the gospel. The law and the gospel go hand in hand. They are two sides of the same coin.

"While we are to be in harmony with God's law, we are not saved by the works of the law, yet we cannot be saved without obedience. The law is the standard by which character is measured. But we cannot possibly keep the commandments of God without the regenerating grace of Christ. Jesus alone can cleanse us from all sin. He does not save us by law, neither will He save us in disobedience to law." F.W. 95, 96.

"The doctrine of sanctification advocated by man is full of deception, because it is flattering to the natural heart; but the kindest thing that can be preached to the sinner is the truth of the binding claims of the law of God. Faith and works must go hand in hand; for faith without works is dead, being alone." W. W. 96, 97.

"But while God can be just, and yet justify the sinner through the merits of Christ, no man can cover his soul with the garments of Christ's righteousness while practicing known sins or neglecting known duties. God requires the entire surrender of the heart, before justification can take place; and in order for man to retain justification, there must be continual obedience, through active, living faith that works by love and purifies the soul." F. W. 100

Can any of us be saved without turning to Christ in faith?

"But while God can be just, and yet justify the sinner through the merits of Christ, no man can cover his soul with the garments of Christ's righteousness while practicing known sins or neglecting known duties. God requires the entire surrender of the heart, before justification can take place; and in order for man to retain justification, there must be continual obedience, through active, living faith that works by love and purifies the soul." F. W. 100

"It is through grace that we are brought into fellowship with Christ, to be associated with Him in the work of salvation. Faith is the condition upon which God has seen fit to promise pardon to sinners; not that there is any virtue in faith whereby salvation is merited; but because faith can lay hold of the merits of Christ, the remedy for sin." F. W. 100, 101

I will answer this under the circumcision post!

Rob

No, John...you are absolutely, positively wrong, wrong, wrong! The Sabbath will be a seal of the justification you have by faith now. Failure to understand this truth as led you into legalism and self-righteousness.



Creator of what, sin? Are we His creation? If so, God made junk. No, God made us perfect "in Adam"! But Adam fell and because we were in him we too took on his iniquity. Hence we were born loving self.

Proof? Again, place two toddlers in the floor and give one of them a toy and the other nothing. What happens? Right, sin! But we laugh and think it's funny....

We are sinners by birth, and unless you have ceased to serve all selfishness and self-seeking in your life you, my buddy, then you are a sinner in need of Christ's righteousness! Comprehend?

Partially true and partially false. Hence, the statement must be false! This is legalism.

Again, is self-love in the life? Yes? No?

If you say "no" I, with the Apostle John, will call you a blooming liar. IF you say "yes" then you are practicing known sin and hence you cannot retain your justification - you are lost!

Terrible teaching...just terrible!, This is why many SDA have no peace...no assurance.

Rob