Club Adventist
Welcome with open arms fellow believers who don’t see things the way you do.
And don’t jump all over them every time they do or say something you don’t agree with
– even when it seems that they are strong on opinions but weak in the faith department.
Remember, they have their own history to deal with. Treat them gently. Romans 14.1: The Message
Page 2 of 3 < 1 2 3 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#190768 - 10/05/08 07:23 AM Re: Fundamentalism [Re: John317]
melvin mccarty Online   content


Registered: 05/18/02
Posts: 690
Loc: B,C.
28 fundamentles! How many does it take to qualify?
mel

Top
#190782 - 10/05/08 03:19 PM Re: Fundamentalism [Re: melvin mccarty]
John317 Moderator Online   content


Registered: 11/13/05
Posts: 10830
Loc: CA
The term fundamentalist derives from a series of (originally) twelve volumes entitled The Fundamentals: A Testimony To The Truth.

Our 28 Fundamental beliefs don't necessarily qualify us as being among the "Fundamentalists," because the latter is a technical term, not a general description. It requires a church to have particular beliefs, some of which our church doesn't hold. A lot of people don't realize this, but the Fundamentalists believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, the “plenary (total) and verbal [word-for-word] inspiration.” Inerrancy of the Scriptures is their first and most important belief.

Seventh-day Adventists, on the other hand, believe in the infallibility of the Scriptures, which, from the viewpoint of other Fundamentalists, fails to qualify Seventh-day Adventists as one of that group. As a church, we believe in thought-inspiration rather than that the Bible was dictated by God.

This may seem to many to be a point of little importance or perhaps even like "splitting hairs," but to those who consider themselves "Fundamentalists," it is a major difference. Also, the fact that Seventh-day Adventists believe that God sent a modern-day prophet is an additional reason for our not being considered among the Fundamentalists.

The following link gives the first four volumes of the Fundamentals: fourhttp://www.xmission.com/~fidelis/



Top
#191031 - 10/06/08 04:48 AM Re: Fundamentalism [Re: Joe Knapp]
BobRyan Offline


Registered: 09/26/08
Posts: 683
Originally Posted By: Joe Knapp
This is my point. They ( the evil forces who influence this world) have redefined fundamentalism to include mainline protestant teachings. Of course fundamentalism is synonymous with extremism.


It is worse than that I fear-

"Fundamentalist" is taken to mean "someone who reads the holy book of their particular religion and BELIEVES it is REALLY true instead of taking it as a loose moral guide along the lines of Aesop's fables".

in Christ,

Bob

Top
#191379 - 10/07/08 10:24 PM Re: Fundamentalism [Re: John317]
melvin mccarty Online   content


Registered: 05/18/02
Posts: 690
Loc: B,C.
Then why do we use the word fundamental if it tends to be confusing? Just because a majority at some General Conference voted that way doesn't mean that all of us do indeed agree.
mel

Top
#191383 - 10/07/08 11:31 PM Re: Fundamentalism [Re: BobRyan]
John317 Moderator Online   content


Registered: 11/13/05
Posts: 10830
Loc: CA
Originally Posted By: BobRyan
Originally Posted By: Joe Knapp
This is my point. They ( the evil forces who influence this world) have redefined fundamentalism to include mainline protestant teachings. Of course fundamentalism is synonymous with extremism.


It is worse than that I fear-

"Fundamentalist" is taken to mean "someone who reads the holy book of their particular religion and BELIEVES it is REALLY true instead of taking it as a loose moral guide along the lines of Aesop's fables".

in Christ,

Bob


I agree with you that there is danger in the way people are coming to view those who accept the Bible as the revealed, inspired Word of God.

If Satan can arrange things so that the world associates Seventh-day Adventists with extremism and with extremists, such as Jim Jones, Muslim terrorists and with what happened in Waco, it will not be to the advantage of the beautiful message we proclaim.

Ellen White made statements to the effect that the time will come when the world will view Seventh-day Adventists as enemies of mankind and the world. So it seems that you've hit on a problem that may well be a part of Satan's plan to alienate the world against the church and our beliefs.

This should encourage all of us, I think, to make sure we are not saying or doing anything that would leave the impression that we are supporting violence in any way.

Top
#191384 - 10/07/08 11:38 PM Re: Fundamentalism [Re: melvin mccarty]
John317 Moderator Online   content


Registered: 11/13/05
Posts: 10830
Loc: CA
Originally Posted By: melvin mccarty
Then why do we use the word fundamental if it tends to be confusing? Just because a majority at some General Conference voted that way doesn't mean that all of us do indeed agree.
mel


I think you have a point, melvin. It can be confusing to some when they see that we have "28 fundamentals." I suppose we could call them "28 basic beliefs."

But we never describe our church as a "fundamentalist church" in any of our publications or in any description of who we are or what we represent.

At least I have not seen any such term used. I did a little search of the web-sites and don't see any where we are described as being a "fundamentalist church," although I am sure that description does come up from time to time. In fact, I would not be surprised if some SDAs think of it that way or maybe tell friends or family that it is a "fundamentalist" church.

I admit that for many people it may not matter. They will still think of us fundamentalists just because we do hold many of the same beliefs as "the Fundamentalists."

Not sure what we can do about that except to point out the differences.

Top
#191746 - 10/09/08 02:17 PM Re: Fundamentalism [Re: John317]
BobRyan Offline


Registered: 09/26/08
Posts: 683
Originally Posted By: John317
Originally Posted By: BobRyan
Originally Posted By: Joe Knapp
This is my point. They ( the evil forces who influence this world) have redefined fundamentalism to include mainline protestant teachings. Of course fundamentalism is synonymous with extremism.


It is worse than that I fear-

"Fundamentalist" is taken to mean "someone who reads the holy book of their particular religion and BELIEVES it is REALLY true instead of taking it as a loose moral guide ( rife with untrustworhty innaccurate events and details) along the lines of Aesop's fables".

in Christ,

Bob


I agree with you that there is danger in the way people are coming to view those who accept the Bible as the revealed, inspired Word of God.

If Satan can arrange things so that the world associates Seventh-day Adventists with extremism and with extremists, such as Jim Jones, Muslim terrorists and with what happened in Waco, it will not be to the advantage of the beautiful message we proclaim.


To a liberal taking the book as "true and accurate" IS extremist! The World's liberal and overt efforts to associate the ideae of extremism with fundamentalist is no accident.

In the case of Islam - the book is about endorsing Jihad so you could argue that to accept the book is to promote certain cases of violence. But hey -- their BOOK was wrong so no surprise!

Using that same rule however would be wrong in the case of Christianity since the book is RIGHT - it is no suprise then that it requires that we Love others and Love God.

It is also no surprise that it says things not in line with atheist views of origins (held by Darwin, Dawkins, Meyers, Provine, Gould, Patterson ...) "SIX days you shall labor..for in SIX DAYS the Lord MADE..."

in Christ,

Bob



Edited by BobRyan (10/09/08 02:19 PM)

Top
#193430 - 10/16/08 08:12 AM Re: Fundamentalism [Re: BobRyan]
John317 Moderator Online   content


Registered: 11/13/05
Posts: 10830
Loc: CA
Originally Posted By: BobRyan
Originally Posted By: John317


If Satan can arrange things so that the world associates Seventh-day Adventists with extremism and with extremists, such as Jim Jones, Muslim terrorists and with what happened in Waco, it will not be to the advantage of the beautiful message we proclaim.


To a liberal taking the book as "true and accurate" IS extremist! The World's liberal and overt efforts to associate the ideae of extremism with fundamentalist is no accident.

In the case of Islam - the book is about endorsing Jihad so you could argue that to accept the book is to promote certain cases of violence. But hey -- their BOOK was wrong so no surprise!

Using that same rule however would be wrong in the case of Christianity since the book is RIGHT - it is no suprise then that it requires that we Love others and Love God.

It is also no surprise that it says things not in line with atheist views of origins (held by Darwin, Dawkins, Meyers, Provine, Gould, Patterson ...) "SIX days you shall labor..for in SIX DAYS the Lord MADE..."


I completely agree with you. The viewpoint of the world towards people who accept the Bible is influenced by the extremists. It is easy to imagine that some day they will consider SDAs as the enemy of mankind, not because of what Adventists teach but on the basis of others whom they wrongly associate with us. I think we need to do a much better job at communicating what we represent. Few people read what we believe doctrinally.

Top
#197468 - 11/01/08 10:04 PM Re: Fundamentalism [Re: BobRyan]
John317 Moderator Online   content


Registered: 11/13/05
Posts: 10830
Loc: CA
Originally Posted By: BobRyan
Originally Posted By: John317

I agree with you that there is danger in the way people are coming to view those who accept the Bible as the revealed, inspired Word of God.

If Satan can arrange things so that the world associates Seventh-day Adventists with extremism and with extremists, such as Jim Jones, Muslim terrorists and with what happened in Waco, it will not be to the advantage of the beautiful message we proclaim.


To a liberal taking the book as "true and accurate" IS extremist! The World's liberal and overt efforts to associate the ideae of extremism with fundamentalist is no accident.

In the case of Islam - the book is about endorsing Jihad so you could argue that to accept the book is to promote certain cases of violence. But hey -- their BOOK was wrong so no surprise!


I was surprised to see this posted recently:

Quote:
Venise Alstergren 31/10/08 7:30PM
Widget: You are, IMHO, absolutely correct. More than half of any countries’ woes are caused by religion-especially right-wing fundamentalism: Seventh Day Adventists, Methodists, Catholics, Muslims, pata ti pata ta. Reading the comments on Hufffpost is a sobering experience; the religiosity is demeaning. It’s almost as if they think God is going to be in the polling booth, and that ‘He’ will tell all the neighbours the way you voted. Three of the many Achilles’ heels of America are religion, non-compulsory voting and an appalling voting system. They need, badly, to use the Australian model of voting.


Source: http://newmatilda.com/2008/10/31/god-his-side

Top
#197532 - 11/02/08 03:29 AM Re: Fundamentalism [Re: John317]
Robert Online   usa


Registered: 07/14/01
Posts: 15764
Loc: Columbia, SC
Originally Posted By: John317
If Satan can arrange things so that the world associates Seventh-day Adventists with extremism ...it will not be to the advantage of the beautiful message we proclaim.


I'm sorry, which group are you speaking of within the SDA denomination? Firm Foundation and such project nothing but cold, formal legalism, which makes those outside the church view the entire denomination as a cult.

Rob
_________________________
"We preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block, and to Gentiles foolishness"

Top
Page 2 of 3 < 1 2 3 >


Moderator:  John317, John317, John317, John317 
Better than Greens
Adventist Domains
General Donations
$10 or $10,000 your choice :)
Our Store


SEARCH OUR SITE

Custom Search
30 days FREE

This full membership income helps pay for hosting, advertising, domain names, software support etc etc
Shout Box

The Chat Room

Come Chat with others,
open 24/7

Who's Online
62 registered (Adventist Film, aldona, A_G_Brito, Belabud, Beryl, Bravus, BSW, bygjymbo, CoAspen, darlene, David-Kingsley, Denise, dgrimm60, Doug, eddie, fccool, Freebird, Gerry Cabalo, Gladussee, guibox, jay65409, John317, Kevin H, Kountzer, lazarus, Linda M, Liz, Luke Adam Goss, melvin mccarty, Michaeneu, Morning Glory, Nan, Neil D, pkrause, Redwood, Robert, rose_bowen, skyblue888, SMAN, Sulla, Suzanne Sutton, Trench, Vera, 19 invisible), 457 Guests and 69 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Search Amazon
Top Posters (30 Days)
Redwood 567
Neil D 365
John317 317
dgrimm60 289
Bravus 252
Shane 250
Robert 249
Amelia 248
Stan Jensen 216
Liz 171
pkrause 154
fccool 141
Taylor 137
olger 125
rudywoofs 106
Gail 96
cardw 93
ichabod 93
Sulla 79
CoAspen 78
Top Posters
Amelia 18738
Shane 17316
Robert 15764
Gail 13751
Neil D 13664
John317 10830
Redwood 9833
Gerry Cabalo 7527
Bravus 7436
Naomi 7196
Gregory Matthews 7119
Nan 6135
Shirley 5292
ChildofChrist 5060
cricket 4965
bevin 4699
LifeHiscost 4235
Stan Jensen 4193
dgrimm60 3915
D. Allan 3883
Newest Members
Trench, jay65409, Zukibot, reynato, debbaker
3037 Registered Users
Featured Member
Registered: 11/21/08
Posts: 1
Adventist Bloggers
Adventist Webdating
Adventist 12 Step
AdBrite
Amazon Links









THE CLUB ADVENTIST FORUM® is a self-supporting ministry and is not part of, or affiliated with, or endorsed by
The General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists headquartered in Silver Spring, Maryland or any of its subsidiaries.
Copyright © ClubAdventist.com® 1999 - 2010