1. It is not Catholic bashing to report their argument on this point.

2. History SHOWS the objective position taken at EACH of these boundaries --

Jews-to-Christian
Catholic-to-Protestant
Protestant-to-SDA

EAch one relied on the fact that the Bible is soooo objectively clear that even NON-members could easily see the point of the text and discover that all that they PREFERRED to believe was in error on a given point.

Recall that when SDAs give a Bible study on "SIX days you shall labor..for in SIX DAYS the LORD MADE" we do not say "well not really the text just says that -- but it's wrong".

In ALL of these cases - even with the Jews-to-Christians the other side had a truck-load of Bible scholars arguing that the Christians "were wrong".

But the KEY in each case for those promoting man-made-ideas over the Bible text was to get the lay people NOT to read the text because as it turned out the text was not as vague and misleading as they had hoped!

Nothing new in that regard as our evolutionist friends engage in their own dispute with the Bible - hoping to insert vagaries where nothing but clarity is evident.

Clerity to th epoint that the entire Hebrew nation keeping an ACTUAL 7 day week and honoring the ACTUAL Sabbath - instead of each individual just "making stuff up".

And as was already pointed out - "SIX days you shall labor..for in SIX DAYS the Lord MADE.." is NOT the way to frame Darwinism - in fact it is the very language of YEC most condemned by our atheist friends.

Obviously.

in Christ,

Bob

I log in to Orgins to ask questions and learn Scientific answers, even if I disagree. But this constant 'bashing' of ideas based on ones personal beliefs and not 'real' science is very frustrating. Is there any way to get back on track?????

Well the clear point stated is

1. The Bible is objectively and accurately read by those "following the details" in the text and trained in the area of exegesis to let the text speak instead of bending it.

We see this in the case of Jews being asked to read the text and SEE IF Christianity was so (See Act 17:11 "The studied the bible daily to SEE IF those things spoken to them by Paul WERE SO").

We see this in the case of "protesting Catholics" who were encouraging fellow Catholics to evaluate doctrine "sola scriptura" instead of just "going with whatever man made ideas you were told to accept".

We see this in the case of the Adventists who still today ask that non-SDAs engage that same sola-scriptura exercise to SEE IF the doctrinal positions we are presenting are in fact "so".

Which means it is way too late to start taking the more non-SDA solution "The bible is plastic you can bend it anyway you like".


2. THIS thread is about "Darwin and faith" and Darwin already came out and told the world that he gave up Christianity for Darwinism once he fully saw the true extent of irreconcilable differences between them.

And as I pointed out with that video - so also did Dawkins, Meyers, Provine, and others.

http://adventistforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/190647/Re_Darwin_and_Faith#Post190647

Is this the part you didn't want to know - or did want to know?

Given that all of that information came out in post #2 -- and no new information has come out since -- where would you like to see this thread go?

in Christ,

Bob