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#190819 - 10/05/08 05:33 PM Re: Sanctification --- Work of a lifetime? NOT. [Re: Redwood]
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Originally Posted By: Redwood
"Our earthly life...is but childhood, frail, imperfect, and undeveloped. Manhood, with its full, perfect, glorious development, will come, when, freed from the taint of sin, we stand among the redeemed throng. Then we shall enjoy a life which measures with the life of God"
ST, June 9, 1881 par. 21


Totally in line with Paul....Totally!

Right now, even though we are maturing (and that's important), we are "imperfect". Only when we are "freed from the taint of sin" [fallen, human nature] will we have "a life with MEASURES with the life of God."

Again, no imperfection of any kind will enter heaven. None! No faulty characters...none!

Rob
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#190821 - 10/05/08 05:34 PM Re: Sanctification --- Work of a lifetime? NOT. [Re: Robert]
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Originally Posted By: Robert
Originally Posted By: John317

"If you would be a saint in heaven, you must first be a saint on earth. The traits of character you cherish in life will not be changed by death or by the resurrection. You will come up from the grave with the same disposition you manifested in your home and in society. Jesus does not change the character at his coming. The work of transformation must be done now. Our daily lives are determining our destiny." Adventist Home 16


Then sin will enter heaven. Also, Paul (not Ellen) says, "We will be changed...in a moment...in the twinkling of an eye...."

I must take Paul over Ellen. To do otherwise is to become part of a cult. No thanks!


Let the thought enter your mind that what you see as a contradiction between two people whom Jack Sequeira believes are true prophets of God, is due to your misunderstanding.

The Bible also seems to have contradictions, doesn't it? Yet it is not the Bible that's contradicting itself. It is that we have a misunderstanding and misinformation.

So we work at trying to understand the texts better. Do the same with Ellen White.

If we assume right from the get-go that something contradicts Paul, we aren't likely to try to find a solution but will just jettison what we are convinced is a true contradiction. That could be a big loss.

Personally I don't see a contradiction between what Paul says in 1 Cor. 15 and what Ellen White wrote in Adventist Home.

Describe what you believe is the contradiction there.

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#190822 - 10/05/08 05:36 PM Re: Sanctification --- Work of a lifetime? NOT. [Re: Robert]
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Good Point Rob.
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#190823 - 10/05/08 05:39 PM Re: Sanctification --- Work of a lifetime? NOT. [Re: John317]
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The contradictions are in Ellen White and her own words. But this is expected from humans. (Some don't count EGW as human).

EGW and all of us grow in our understandings. We study and how ourselves approved unto God.

I am glad that she changed her mind.
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#190824 - 10/05/08 05:40 PM Re: Sanctification --- Work of a lifetime? NOT. [Re: Robert]
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Originally Posted By: Robert
Originally Posted By: Redwood
"Our earthly life...is but childhood, frail, imperfect, and undeveloped. Manhood, with its full, perfect, glorious development, will come, when, freed from the taint of sin, we stand among the redeemed throng. Then we shall enjoy a life which measures with the life of God"
ST, June 9, 1881 par. 21


Totally in line with Paul....Totally!

Right now, even though we are maturing (and that's important), we are "imperfect". Only when we are "freed from the taint of sin" [fallen, human nature] will we have "a life with MEASURES with the life of God."

Again, no imperfection of any kind will enter heaven. None! No faulty characters...none!

Rob


What do you make of the sentence--
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The traits of character you cherish in life will not be changed by death or by the resurrection.


Notice she is talking about sinful traits of character that we CHERISH. That means those you want to keep and cultivate, instead of giving over and surrendering to Christ. They are sins you are not repenting of and confessing. We should be resisting those and overcoming them, not cherishing and cultivating them.

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#190825 - 10/05/08 05:40 PM Re: Sanctification --- Work of a lifetime? NOT. [Re: Gerry Cabalo]
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Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo
So after the second coming, sanctification is COMPLETED and there will be no more growth in becoming more like God? Gerry


Not in the realm of sin. No iniquity (i.e., a u-turn agape) will be in heaven. None! That's why God never allowed Lucifer to develop his love of self in heaven. Here's how heaven will be:


In heaven none will think of self, nor seek their own pleasure but all, from pure, genuine love [agape], will seek the happiness of the heavenly beings around them. [2T 132]
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#190826 - 10/05/08 05:45 PM Re: Sanctification --- Work of a lifetime? NOT. [Re: John317]
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The traits of character you cherish in life will not be changed by death or by the resurrection.


Let's say the character defect is wanting to be the center of attention. Many have this problem...many! The question is, "will they still have this defect after the 1st resurrection?"

No!

Otherwise, again, imperfection enters into heaven.

Look, EGW didn't know it all. Just deal with that.
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#190827 - 10/05/08 05:45 PM Re: Sanctification --- Work of a lifetime? NOT. [Re: Redwood]
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Originally Posted By: Redwood
The contradictions are in Ellen White and her own words. But this is expected from humans. (Some don't count EGW as human).

EGW and all of us grow in our understandings. We study and how ourselves approved unto God.

I am glad that she changed her mind.


I am asking you to point out the words you believe are contradictory.

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#190829 - 10/05/08 05:50 PM Re: Sanctification --- Work of a lifetime? NOT. [Re: John317]
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I am asking you to point out the words you believe are contradictory.


Redwood,

I'd leave it alone....John will never believe Ellen White is anything short of infallible! Whatever you say he will try to refute.
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#190830 - 10/05/08 05:51 PM Re: Sanctification --- Work of a lifetime? NOT. [Re: Robert]
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Originally Posted By: Robert
Originally Posted By: John317
The traits of character you cherish in life will not be changed by death or by the resurrection.


Let's say the character defect is wanting to be the center of attention. Many have this problem...many! The question is, "will they still have this defect after the 1st resurrection?"

No!

Otherwise, again, imperfection enters into heaven.

Look, EGW didn't know it all. Just deal with that.


And you want me and others to think you or Jack Sequeira do know it all?!

Whose quotes does Jack put in all his books and whose quotes fill pages of his books-- yours, Jack's, or the Spirit of prophecy's?

Jack calls her a prophet of God. If she was a prophet of God, you don't just jettison what she wrote because you don't like it.

And again, did Paul or John or Isaiah or Moses know it all?

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