Or is it because you are running short of answers? There is no contradiction in those words, because if there was, I am sure it would be pointed out quickly.

What did Ellen White herself say about those who only quote her when she can be used to support a favorite viewpoint?

You evidently see nothing wrong with Jack's quoting tons of Ellen White statements, so why not deal seriously with what she wrote on the subject of the resurrection?

Temper...temper!

No, but he has more light that EGW....



Those "other quotes" that all the legalists either don't know about or ignores.



Maybe he does...I don't know, but you know what? I can disagree with him if I see fit to. Why waste so much time arguing over Ellen White? Go to the Bible. That's what she would have told you.

You make a idol of her, John. Really!



Maybe Paul.... :)

But it doesn't matter. DO you know why? They are apart of the Bible. Ellen White isn't. Case settled.

Here's some advice: Back off on your push and spin of Ellen White or folks who might listen to you will shut down. Why? They will see you as part of a cult.

Rob

Because it's a moot point. The Bible disagrees!

Show how it disagrees. What you have given here is merely a conclusion that it disagrees.

No temper. Just pointing out how foolish it sounds to ask people to believe you and Jack over the Spirit of prophecy, especially considering the church's teaching, which I agree with:

18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)



Speaks for itself. Even Jack knows that's not true. I notice he doesn't quote himself or talk of himself in any way except as an ordinary student of the word. He doesn't consider himself any more of an authority than you are.

I am not saying he doesn't know anything or that he is not a good speaker on the Bible. I am just saying it is dangerous and foolish to think of an ordinary person as someone you will listen to above a prophet of God. Even Jack would not want you to believe that way.

I think Jack has much light. Perhaps he is able to better point out truth in some areas than EGW. I believe EGW was a prophet. She had some good messages from God. But as we have discovered ... not ALL of her messages were from God.

I will again ask you the question John that you continue to ignore ...

How do we determine which of her messages were just her own opinion and thus open to error ... and which messages were inspired from God? Are the messages from God prefaced with an "I was shown" Or "I was in vision" ??

What was it John?

There, that's the bottom line! Go to your Bible!



I said that, not Jack.

You know...the more you spin Ellen White the more you push folks away who might join the church. Who wants to join a cult? Not me. And that's exactly what YOU traditional, historic legalists are doing. In fact worse:

“You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are."

Examples?



I have answered this question before, but you are apparently not reading.

All of the messages that she wrote for publication and all the messages she intended as testimonies either to the church, individuals, or to the world in general, are to be accepted. These include the Conflict Series, Steps To Christ, all of the Testimonies for the Church, etc.

What she wrote for the church was never merely her private opinion.

And no, she does not need to say, "I was shown," or "I was in vision," in order for the message to be from God.

Read the Introduction to GC and the first 45 pages or so of 1 SM.

I know you said it. And Jack would neither say nor think it nor would he agree with you on that point. He knows that's not true.

1 Cor 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep [remain dead], but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


Mortality is linked with sin and immortality is linked with perfection.

Col 1:13 For He [God] delivered us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

"In Christ" our glorified, sinless humanity has already been transferred to heaven "in Christ". We receive this sinless, perfect life at the resurrection.

Eph 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus.

Right now, as I write, I have a new humanity "in Christ". Is Christ sinless? Yes. Then that glorified humanity is sinless. I am complete "in Christ" by faith.

At the resurrection I will receive this life from within Him - a life that measures with the life of God. I will receive a sinless, spotless humanity from Him. Then I will be fully in His image after His likeness. No imperfection of any kind. Otherwise, you must teach that Christ is imperfect.

Anything outside this truth must be regarded as pure heresy!

Rob