Yes, the original reason...of course, but "the fall destroyed the significance of the Sabbath"!

Here's what Jack says (since you keep asking):

The fall destroyed the Sabbath’s significance, since sin is turning from God-dependence to self-dependence. Isa. 59:2 says that your sin separates you from God. Gen. 3:19 is a good text. What did God say to Adam after he fell?

From now onward you will eat your bread by the sweat of your brow.

Before that, God worked for Adam. When you read about the Garden of Eden, it says it was God who planted the garden for Adam. Now God says,

From now onward you will eat your bread by the sweat of your brow.

That means, “You will have no rest.” So the fall destroyed the significance of the Sabbath.

The creature/Creator relationship was always to be a relationship of total dependence. God never created man to live independent of Him. That’s why Jesus said,

Without Me you can do nothing.

Now we must apply this also in terms of salvation.

I am the vine, you are the branches. Abide in Me and I in you.

That was always. So when Adam sinned he departed from God-dependence. In order to restore the Sabbath rest to man, Jesus came to work again. He said “I must work the works of my Father.” What was the work that God gave Him to do? To save us.

If God wrote on the second set of tablets what He wrote on the first tablets, what words did He write--- Exodus 20 or Deut. 5?

It is very clear that God spoke the words that are recorded in Exodus 20. And God wrote the words that He spoke before all the people. I do not see how we can escape the conclusion that the second set of tablets had the same words that are in Exodus 20.

That is the conclusion that virtually all Bible scholars have come to. I don't know any that haven't.

Give me the name and reference for any Bible scholar or Bible commentary that says the second tablet is the one which give God's words that He both wrote and spoke.

I'd like to know their reasoning and evidence.

Maybe..., but still something changed! Moses gave the 4th commandment a new meaning....And that happened because "the fall destroyed the significance of the Sabbath"!

Rob

Doesn't Jack still keep it?

He certainly doesn't mean that the Sabbath has no more significance.

What book and page number is that from?

I'd be very interested in talking or writing directly to Jack Sequeira about this. Do you ever talk to him? On the phone maybe?

And I know you don't understand the Sabbath because you see it from the point of view of Traditional, Adventism! The way you present the Sabbath is very similar to the way the Judaizers presented circumcision.

They needed corrected...and likewise, you need correcting!

You're welcome,

Rob

I didn't mean that I don't think Jack S. knows nothing about the Sabbath's significance, of course. I was referring to his sentence which seems to imply that the Sabbath no longer has any significance, but I know he meant it changed in its significance. But I would like to talk to him about that very point.

Speaking of circumcision, I know you don't believe that circumcision became a part of the New Covenant.

But do you believe that the Sabbath is a part of the New Covenant?

And when was the Everlasting Covenant given to Abraham ratified?

Well, there are some very good things about Traditional Adventism, I think. I am not at all ashamed or embarrassed by that.

I don't spend a lot of time thinking about what Traditional Adventism is or was.

Does Ellen White give the point of view of Traditional Adventism?

You said before you don't go to church. What is your reason for not going? What do you do on the Sabbath? Do you have a family you spend it with or do you spend it by yourself? Describe a typical Sabbath for you.

"In order to restore the Sabbath rest to man, Jesus came to work again. He said “I must work the works of my Father.” What was the work that God gave Him to do? To save us.

Let's see... 4 questions and a demand.

John, you have problems. First of all I won't allow your inquisition to continue. You aren't my pope...you aren't my self-proclaimed teacher!

I have clearly illustrated that the significance of the Sabbath changed. The reason why most other Christians do not accept the Sabbath is mainly because the way traditional Adventists, such as yourself, presents it! Again, you present the Sabbath in the same manner as the Judaizers presented circumcision.

True circumcision was a sign to have no confidence in one's performance. But the Judaizers took the sign and said, “Unless you are circumcised ... you cannot be saved.” Hence they turned circumcision into bragging rights and confidence in one's performance!

In the same manner the Adventists' Judaizers among us teach that unless you keep the Sabbath you cannot be saved. But clearly the significance of the 4th commandment changed because Moses changed it from one of creation to the redemption of the Jews from bondage.

True Sabbath keeping has its significance in the end times when all false gospels openly clash with the truth as it is "in Christ". At that time the Sabbath will become the seal of RBF just as circumcision became a seal for Abraham and his descendents many years after he was justified by faith alone.

Failure to clearly understand this as led many Adventists into legalism. That's why the majority of Christians outside Adventism rejects the Sabbath. They see it as OC....They see it as a legalistic requirement from a cult.*

Rob

* (disclaimer) Not all SDA are legalists and cult members. After all, I learned the gospel from an Adventist Pastor.