#19333 - 12/30/04 04:20 PM
BOOZE, DRUNKS, NEW YEAR'S EVE
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Well, it's that time of year again. You know..when the liquor industry sees if their sales projections exceed, meet or fall short of their forecasts. EGW, WCTU, prohibition...what an era..check out some writings.. I was involved in 3 court martials in the service where I testified. 2 got kicked out with bad conduct discharges and 2 lost a stripe each. Then there are other booze related incidents while growing up. Because of the experience, I always get bounced from jury duty with drinking related crimes. This is the time of year I repeat my BOOZERS R LOSERS community service announcements for the media. You can call up radio talk shows and put your 2 cents in like I do..doesn't cost a penney. 800 numbers. You can even do shock announcements like drinkers are immature irresponsible cowardly losers who need to get a life... that gets the attention of some. Look at this week's sabbath school lesson. Don't you hear tangents on appetite and diet with this theme? Guess what? Here is a related theological tidbit.. REVELATION 17 "2": With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication Think on this.. A drunk is someone who is socially irresponsible and a nuisance or detriment to society. Those who promote and or perpetuate SATAN's LIE that humans can not overcome sin ..or keep GOD'S LAW...and those who believe it are THEOLOGICAL DRUNKS and are spiritual immature, irresponsible cowardly losers who need to get a life and get the truth. They are DRUNK on the wine of SATANIC doctrine. Happy New Year!!...may it start out hangover free. 
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#19335 - 12/30/04 09:02 PM
Re: BOOZE, DRUNKS, NEW YEAR'S EVE
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Thanks for the input... Aw what fun...and it is called a party???
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#19336 - 12/31/04 03:29 AM
Re: BOOZE, DRUNKS, NEW YEAR'S EVE
[Re: sweettrini]
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Those who promote and or perpetuate SATAN's LIE that humans can not overcome sin ..or keep GOD'S LAW...and those who believe it are THEOLOGICAL DRUNKS and are spiritual immature, irresponsible cowardly losers who need to get a life and get the truth. They are DRUNK on the wine of SATANIC doctrine.
I really don't think this is the key or central issue. I know a lot of people believe it is, but frankly I just don't see it. The greatest need I see in the world today is the need for love and compassion, for we live in a time when that which is intended to arouse compassion gives rise to contempt instead, and that which ought to excite pity rather incites hostility and malice. Ancillary to sensory indiscretions run the close channels of exertion into forced and narrow, cramped confines the rigid parameters of what is intrinsically inattainable: that is, a meta-level of management over the whole which no single part may ever obtain.
Our Master (blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord!) did not illustrate the core issue at the end of time upon the fashion of yours, but instead warned that because iniquity should abound, the love of many would wax cold. But he that endured unto the end (presumably, in this context, retained the capacity for love or kept the fire of love and compassion alive inside) would be saved. I do not know about you, but I feel most "lost" (or most in danger of being lost) when I look into my heart candidly and confront the areas where love is lacking or missing.
I think the whole focus on "whether or not God's law can be kept" is a ruse to detract -- and distract -- from the real issue. And I also think that attempting to co-opt another's thinking on the matter by pre-emptively labeling any who disagree with your position -- before you have so much as even heard them out as to why -- as "spiritual immature, irresponsible cowardly losers who need to get a life and get the truth" is extremely childish of you, not to mention ineffectual. It makes you sound like a wound up fanatic instead of a rational man of God, and does not do anything to make me want to give serious consideration to what you have posited at all. Matter of fact, it diminishes any inclination I might have had to do so.
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"After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot
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#19337 - 12/31/04 03:38 AM
Re: BOOZE, DRUNKS, NEW YEAR'S EVE
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Well, Like you said...you don't see it... I do.
And my adjectives are carefully selected and from a lot of experience.
Love is the fulfilling of the law...and what is taught is a cheap shallow sentiment..not love.
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#19338 - 12/31/04 03:41 AM
Re: BOOZE, DRUNKS, NEW YEAR'S EVE
[Re: sweettrini]
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Let me post this again..since it has been awhile..
The law is an indicator of how authentic, genuine, and/ or mature one's love, trust and relationship is with God and their fellow human beings.
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#19339 - 12/31/04 03:50 AM
Re: BOOZE, DRUNKS, NEW YEAR'S EVE
[Re: sweettrini]
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Let me take it into a business mode.
Business has these mission statements..about their product and their attitude toward customers. The customer is king and they have the highest quality product.
Some are really into matching the saying with quality control because they are sincerely genuine and concerned for the customer....so they insure with meticulous inspection and checking their product and processes for a top notch product and have superb customer service.
The have metrics, standards and surveys, reviews.
Then there are the businesses that are all hype and talk. They work on a reactive chaotic basis and flounder around. They handle case by case and work with the squeekiest wheels to maintain some semblence of operation. They are in the business only for greed and max profit and the customer is just an annoyance to get rid of as soon as possible.
Does that help?
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#19340 - 12/31/04 03:57 AM
Re: BOOZE, DRUNKS, NEW YEAR'S EVE
[Re: sweettrini]
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Well, Like you said...you don't see it... I do.
Actually no. I believe you have that reversed, unless you are referring specifically to your schtick above rather than the way things really are.
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And my adjectives are carefully selected and from a lot of experience.
Perhaps, but they only serve yourself, and even their efficacy there is highly questionable. After all, they don't do a thing to either make or validate your point, or encourage others to want to hear you out on it, which I would think would constitute key purposes to even having a point to share at all ... right?
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Love is the fulfilling of the law...and what is taught is a cheap shallow sentiment..not love.
This is another major problem: real love is denigrated as "cheap shallow sentiment" because it takes feelings and personal needs into account, and the verse, "love is the fulfilling of the law" is then twisted around to make it seem to support characterizing performance standards and rule-keeping as constituting "real love" when in reality, nothing could be further from the truth. Measuring another human being by their performance and/or ability to adhere to some unilateral set of rules (usually applied with a hefty overdose of double-standard hypocrisy to boot) does not constitute loving them, nor does it communicate love to them.
This is a serious problem and is at the core of misunderstanding these precise issues I am addressing.
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"After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot
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#19342 - 12/31/04 04:09 AM
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[Re: sweettrini]
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Let me take it into a business mode. ... Does that help?
Somewhat -- but unfortunately at the same time, it also "helps" to further illustrate the crux of the matter here and beg the issue I raised itself!
First, I get what you're saying, OK, the contrast you are drawing. That's not at issue here.
What is at issue is the very fact of even using a "business model" to attempt to discuss Love. You can't package Love into some unilateral set of codified policies, processes and programs -- and that's precisely my point! By the same token, no one needs to refer to such things to know the difference between whether they are being loved or not! And while yes it is good to have some general guidelines that have been shown to exhibit consistency in the proper care and treatment of others so as to demonstrate love, those guidelines cannot supply either the motivation or the ability to fulfill those things -- but possession of love in the heart for the love-object can, and does, and does so naturally.
Attempting to reduce Love to a set of codified generalized unilateral unyielding guidelines that presumably cannot adapt to circumstances or diversities or differences in application, and then measure a person's heart by their performance or adherence to these narrowly defined parameters, is ludicrous. Is that how a husband ought to approach his wife, or a wife her husband, or a fiance with a fiancee or boyfriend with girlfriend? I think NOT! And isn't the primary relationship of love -- the male-female pair-bond -- supposed to mirror the relationship of Christ with the church?
I find then that the real focus, the real issue, is not "whether God's law can be kept". It is "whether God will have a people transformed into People Who Love."
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"After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot
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