I took this from another section here. I don't think Bravus will mind starting a new thread with his quote.

I happen to agree with what Bravus is saying. Christians believe in creation because that is what the Bible teaches. The scientific explanation of origins is very convincing. Creationists, of course, believe evolution to be a counterfeit and like most counterfeits, it has to be good if it is going to serve its purpose of misleading people. This is why I discourage creationists from approaching the origins issue from a purely scientific perspective. If we are going to hold out the Supernatural as part of reality we cannot discuss an issue such as origins in such a limited context like science.

While the loss of faith may cause someone to start believing in evolution, the rebirth experience should, in the reverse way cause someone to start believing in creation.

At what point do we begin giving value to those Christians that actually say they gave up Christianity because of what they understood Darwinism to teach?

At what point do we begin to notice that among that group are the very icons of darwinism - including Darwin himself -- and more recently Dawkins, Meyer and Provine??

Why is there so much effort to suppose that "SIX days you shall labor... for in SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE..." can either be bent into a kind of Darwinism or in fact is compatible with it.

Hint: Darwinists never express their views of origins in the terms "for in SIX DAYS The LORD MADE...".

I realize it may be fun to pretend that we don't notice this inconvenient detail -- but let's be serious for a second.

BTW - Did you notice how our current SS Lesson Quarterly keeps contrasting the Bible to evolutionism?

in Christ,

Bob

Here are people that we need to ignore while pretending that Darwinism is compatible with Christianity -




It is more than a little coincidental that Darwin's discovery of the gap and the irreconcilable nature of it -- also matches the testimony of other more modern former-Christians ... like Dawkins.

Evolutionists promote a view of God that distorts the Bible's view of God as a loving Creator. This affects their faith in a personal, negative way.

1) The Hebrew word yom means a 24-hour period. If a longer period of time was meant the word "olam" would have been used.

2) The "evolutionary process" (theory) is rife with happenstance, waste, contingency, death, pain and horror. This view makes God careless, diabolical and indifferent. This view is opposed to the God of scriptures who is as loving and selfless in creation as He is in salvation. People who propose theistic evolution do not see the radical difference between the two worldviews.

3) Why would God use an unjust "survival of the fittest" method to create when justice is the foundation of His throne? (Psalm 89:14)

Why would God use DEATH to create humans when He is love & life? If God used death to create, why then did He warn Adam of the evil of death? (Gen 2:17).

4) The fact that the onlooking universe shouted for joy at the creation of this world (Job 38:4-7) is inexplicable if Christ involved human & animal suffering for billions of years. Christ called creation “very good” (Gen. 1:31), and that’s worth singing about.

5) Christ’s warning to Adam about the tree of knowledge of good & evil, stating that eating its fruit would bring death (Gen. 2:17), indicates that death was not yet a present reality. Here evil and death are associated with disobedience to the Creator.
When Christ re-creates the earth, there will be no more curse (Rev. 22:3). Clearly curses and death are linked to disobedience and have nothing to do with Christ’s method of creation. That’s why Scripture says Adam introduced sin and death to the world (Rom. 5:12). It was Adam and not his Creator who brought death into the world.

6) Christ did not use death to create humans in Eden. Instead, the record is that He died to save humans at Calvary. Given a cosmic controversy in which Satan hates Christ and has engaged in a process of disinformation about God (Eze. 28:15, 16), it
makes sense that a natural method of creation through horror is something he (Satan) would promote, for it effectively destroys the drawing power of Calvary.

7) The awesome power of God’s creative word is further demonstrated by the speed with which His commands were fulfilled, for the Creation days were literal, continuous, contiguous, 24-hour periods of time.


The attempt to blend creation & evolution is parallel with Satan's practice of contaminating good with evil, light with darkness, and ultimately to mingle truth with error. It is NOT sustained in scripture and has no place in the life of a beliver.

regards,

oG

That was said about as dogmatic as one could say it.

Do you think that Darwin said it better in his agreement with that point of the great gulf between Christianity and Darwinism?

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence. You're trying to account for the behaviour of millions of people in the US and America and using the anecdotes of 4 people to make the case. Get some better evidence.

I don't think that is really the focus of this thread. The issue in this thread is...

• Does evolution cause people to lose their faith?
• Do people turn to evolution after losing their faith for some other reason unrelated to evolution?
• Do creationists only believe in creation because of the Bible and their faith?
• Without the Bible or Christianity, would anyone believe in creation based on the evidence alone?

I think that without Christianity or the Bible that intelligent people would still believe in creation but more along the line of the Intelligent Design movement. I don't see how anyone, without Biblical knowledge, looks around them at the world and concludes it was all created in six days.

I actually agree that many people feel they have to leave Christianity when the evidence for an old earth becomes too convincing for them to ignore. But that is because of dogmatic statements like those above that say 'if you believe in an old earth or evolution, you can't be a Christian any more'. All I can say is you guys had better be *very* sure of that position - rush4hire is talking about others' blood being on his head. What if God does not require that, and it's *your* beliefs that are pushing people out of the church?

I am. Next question please.