That's all true, so I just reiterate what I've said before: the church had better be *very sure* that it's not adding qualifications that God does not require.

It is unethical to join the Amish and INSIST on owning & driving a BMW.

I'm not joining the Seventh-day Adventist Church and insisting that one must also believe that evolution is true. I grew up in the church; I've been here a long time. For my own reasons, I need to stay in the church, or I'd probably leave (without your help, I might add).

Since I'm here, however, I'd like people to know that one can be a Seventh-day Adventist and also believe that evolution is true. I am not the only person who thinks this; there are others.

Thanks. Allow me to say it this way. "It is unethical to be a member of the Amish and INSIST on owning & driving a BMW."

I know this to be true since my grandfather was raised Old Order Amish.

Edit (moderator): This post is awfully close to the edges of what is allowable in the Origins forum, olger. You have basically used an analogy to suggest that Vera is unethical in being an SDA. If you had said it directly you would have been univited from this forum. Please refrain in future from insinuating it.

Kurt Wise is the honest creationist. He illustrates that believing in creation is a matter of believing the Bible rather than what the evidence seems to say. That is a choice each of us have.

"Although there are scientific reasons for accepting a young earth, I am a young-age creationist because that is my understanding of the Scripture. As I shared with my professors years ago when I was in college, if all the evidence in the universe turns against creationism, I would be the first to admit it, but I would still be a creationist because that is what the Word of God seems to indicate. Here I must stand." - Kurt Wise

Colin Patterson is the "honest evolutionist" he argues that Evolutionism is a by-faith-alone religionist argument that is essentially "anti-knowledge".

Colin Patterson (Senior paleontologist at the British Natural History Museum and author of the Museum’s general text on evolution)

A 1981 lecture presented at New York City's American Museum of Natural History


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I am just amazed at how many make exclusive claim to The Seventh day Adventist Church for their particular belief or interpretation or political favoritism.

Some say that unless you are Pro Choice then you are not SDA.

Some say that unless you are Pro Life then you are not SDA.

Some say that unless you believe you can be sinless then you are not SDA.

Some say that unless you believe in Creation that you are not SDA.

Some say that unless you are heterosexual that you are not SDA.

Some say that unless you are supporting Obama then you are not SDA.

Some say that unless you are supporting McCain then you are not SDA.

Some say that unless you believe as YOU do then you are not SDA.

Some say that unless you believe the Jesuits are afta you then you are not SDA.

Some say that unless you want Palin as President in 2012 then you are not SDA.

Some say that unless your children are well behaved then you are not SDA.

Some say that unless you are vegetarian then you are not SDA.

Some say that unless you believe in Ellen White then you are not an SDA.

Some say that unless you like Neil then you are not an SDA.


Well ... you get the idea. But I am getting tired of it. We can welcome all into our church. If you want to join ... then join. We all see things differently in our church .... lets accept one another. Welcome one another. Love one another.

Thank you ....

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