#198047 - 11/03/08 08:07 PM
Re: Evolution & Loss of Faith
[Re: Vera]
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I'm not joining the Seventh-day Adventist Church and insisting that one must also believe that evolution is true. I grew up in the church; I've been here a long time. For my own reasons, I need to stay in the church, or I'd probably leave (without your help, I might add).
Since I'm here, however, I'd like people to know that one can be a Seventh-day Adventist and also believe that evolution is true. I am not the only person who thinks this; there are others. I'd be interested in knowing whether evolutionists can believe in the Investigative Judgment as described in the the Great Controversy and in the official teachings of the church: 24. Christ's Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: There is a sanctuary in heaven, the true tabernacle which the Lord set up and not man. In it Christ ministers on our behalf, making available to believers the benefits of His atoning sacrifice offered once for all on the cross. He was inaugurated as our great High Priest and began His intercessory ministry at the time of His ascension. In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry. It is a work of investigative judgment which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. In that typical service the sanctuary was cleansed with the blood of animal sacrifices, but the heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus. The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting kingdom. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom. The completion of this ministry of Christ will mark the close of human probation before the Second Advent. (Heb. 8:1-5; 4:14-16; 9:11-28; 10:19-22; 1:3; 2:16, 17; Dan. 7:9-27; 8:13, 14; 9:24-27; Num. 14:34; Eze. 4:6; Lev. 16; Rev. 14:6, 7; 20:12; 14:12; 22:12.)
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#198063 - 11/03/08 09:21 PM
Re: Evolution & Loss of Faith
[Re: BobRyan]
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I hardly think that labels matter. What matters is relationships.
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#198088 - 11/04/08 12:17 AM
Re: Evolution & Loss of Faith
[Re: Redwood]
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At least one person will be being uninvited from the Origins forum on the basis of their posts in this thread, and others have trod close to the edge.
I've been as clear as I possibly can that calling others' faith into question is against the charter of the Origins forum and completely unacceptable.
You guys knew the rules and broke them, and as the only remaining mod I have no choice in applying the consequences.
Edited by Bravus (11/04/08 01:28 AM)
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#198107 - 11/04/08 01:31 AM
Re: Evolution & Loss of Faith
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Kurt Wise is the honest creationist. He illustrates that believing in creation is a matter of believing the Bible rather than what the evidence seems to say. That is a choice each of us have.
"Although there are scientific reasons for accepting a young earth, I am a young-age creationist because that is my understanding of the Scripture. As I shared with my professors years ago when I was in college, if all the evidence in the universe turns against creationism, I would be the first to admit it, but I would still be a creationist because that is what the Word of God seems to indicate. Here I must stand." - Kurt Wise I can definitely accept that perspective.
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#198145 - 11/04/08 03:38 AM
Re: Evolution & Loss of Faith
[Re: Redwood]
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but the claim "can BE a Seventh-day Adventist" needs further refining to be "IN NAME ONLY" Some say that unless you believe you can be sinless then you are not SDA. Some say that unless you are heterosexual that you are not SDA. Some say that unless you are vegetarian then you are not SDA. Some say that unless you believe in Ellen White then you are not an SDA. Well ... you get the idea. But I am getting tired of it. We can welcome all into our church. If you want to join ... then join. We all see things differently in our church .... lets accept one another. Welcome one another. Love one another.... As much as we have our disagreement over things, Redwood, I do agree with you about loving one another. I can honestly and sincerely say that if I met you at church, I would wholeheartedly welcome you and love you. Now, having said that, I don't agree with the above statements about SDAs needing to be sinless, heterosexual, vegetarian, or to believe in Ellen White. While I do believe in Ellen White, I am not sinless, heterosexual (although I am working on it with the Lord's help), or vegetarian. Did you forget to put something in there about liking baseball?
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#203231 - 12/06/08 03:42 AM
Re: Evolution & Loss of Faith
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I had to re-read this entire thread to remember where I left off. I knew there was something that I wanted to say, and it's all coming back to me now. Hope to get to it this weekend and will probably start a new thread.
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#204112 - 12/09/08 05:54 PM
Re: Evolution & Loss of Faith
[Re: Shane]
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How many of you saw the statement from Bush on the news today that "Creationism is not incompatible with the theory of Evolution"?
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