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#193359 - 10/16/08 12:46 AM Re: "Yes, I believe evolution is true." [Re: Bravus]
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The statement "I BELIEVE evolution is true" must be contrasted with "I BELIEVE the Bible is true". To conduct that analysis with proper due diligence we need to expose all of the "inconvenient details" confronting and evolutionist trying to cling to faith in both the Bible and evolutionism.

1. This means that we look at the assumptions being made about daughter product in the radiometric models. There is no way to argue that you know the composition of the rock when God created it -- unless you have actually science showing you that history. My proposal has nothing to do with accelerating rates of decay. (Though we currently have the speed of light being changed to near zero with current experiments according to one of my sources at NASA).

In the effort to solve the problem above - please note that "just making stuff up to fit darwinism" is hardly going to be considered a compelling reason to dump the Bible and place our faith in Darwinism instead.

2. Imagining that you have 2 or 3 different radiometric measurements from other sources available each time a wild claim is made based on Potassium-argon claims -- also does not help to frame a compelling point of fact.

3. The Bible contradiction with Evolutionism is in the timeline (SIX days you shall labor..for in SIX DAYS the Lord MADE..) and also in the problem of no disease, no sickness, no predation prior to the fall of mankind. You also have the problem of no-sun before plants.

It does not take rocket science to see that Darwin, Dawkins, Meyers and Provine all had a good point when they observed the large irreconcilable gap between scripture and Darwinism.

4. And that leaves us with the problem of EXEGESIS and the fact that the Bible simply can not be bent to Darwinism.


5. Finally we have the problem that even confirmed die-hard evolutionists like Colin Patterson lament that the doctrine of evolutionism is too much faith based and too little science based. How in the world does a Christian jump into that quagmire along with Dr. Patterson of having to place faith in evolutionism "no matter what"?

in Christ,

Bob





Edited by BobRyan (10/16/08 03:48 AM)

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#193390 - 10/16/08 04:30 AM Re: "Yes, I believe evolution is true." [Re: BobRyan]
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Nope, false dichotomy yet again. The contrast is between 'I believe evolution is true' (which needs to be qualified in terms of atheistic, theistic and ID) and 'I believe recent creation is true'. Your assumption that recent creations and 'The Bible' are synonymous is what is in question in this forum. You are free to assume it, but expect to get called on it.
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#193391 - 10/16/08 04:32 AM Re: "Yes, I believe evolution is true." [Re: Bravus]
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Plus your entire post is repetition of things you've said at least 10 times before. Let me know when you bring something new.
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#194186 - 10/19/08 05:23 PM Re: "Yes, I believe evolution is true." [Re: Bravus]
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As it turns out - I actually have no problem repeatedly pointing out the areas where your argument has not been able to solve the problems raised.

As we both know - the unbiased objective reader will find it "instructive".

in Christ,

Bob

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#194187 - 10/19/08 05:25 PM Re: "Yes, I believe evolution is true." [Re: Bravus]
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Originally Posted By: Bravus

Your assumption that recent creations and 'The Bible' are synonymous is what is in question in this forum.


Hence the reason I keep referring to the glaringly obvious "SIX days you shall labor...for in SIX DAYS the Lord made.." Ex 20:8-11 so devastating to the point you are trying to support.

in Christ,

Bob

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#194188 - 10/19/08 05:29 PM Re: "Yes, I believe evolution is true." [Re: BobRyan]
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Here is a question for you - What view of "SIX DAYS the LORD MADE" do you suppose Ellen White was thinking of??

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O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called. 1 Tim. 6:20. {FLB 321.1}

Human knowledge of both material and spiritual things is partial and imperfect; therefore many are unable to harmonize their views of science with Scripture statements. Many accept mere theories and speculations as scientific facts, and they think that God's Word is to be tested by the teachings of "science falsely so called.". . . {FLB 321.2}

Men have endeavored to be wiser than their Creator; human philosophy has attempted to search out and explain mysteries which will never be revealed, through the eternal ages. {FLB 321.3}

To many, scientific research has become a curse. God has permitted a flood of light to be poured upon the world in discoveries in science and art; but even the greatest minds, if not guided by the Word of God in their research, become bewildered in their attempts to investigate the relations of science and revelation. {FLB 321.4}

God is the foundation of everything. All true science is in harmony with His works; all true education leads to obedience to His government. Science opens new wonders to our view; she soars high, and explores new depths; but she brings nothing from her research that conflicts with divine revelation. {FLB 321.5}

God is the author of science. . . . Rightly understood, science and the Written Word agree, and each sheds light on the other. Together they lead us to God, by teaching us something of the wise and beneficent laws through which He works. {FLB 321.6}



Are you thinking she might be an "early Darwinist"??

You have opened up the door to this question once you framed this essence of this thread this way ...

Originally Posted By: Bravus

Your assumption that recent creations and 'The Bible' are synonymous is what is in question in this forum.




in Christ,

Bob


Edited by BobRyan (10/19/08 05:30 PM)

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