I've answered, several times, that God *can* do whatever he wants. The question is whether he *did* create the earth that way, and if so why he went to so much effort to make it look as though he didn't.

God made every effort to show people that there was, without any doubt, a world-wide flood.

See, you're getting "God" mixed up with "alot of people". It's "alot of people" who have gone through a great effort to make it look like things evolved over millions of years. You also need to be careful not to get pulled in by the gravity of a huge man-made idol that many generations have been working on.

But this is a topic for another forum.

Back to what I wrote when I didn't have internet.


Where there are miracles, there is always a message. Where there is technology, there's not much need for miracles. God held man back from technological advancement for thousands of years, because he would have eventually destroyed himself with it. But now, God allows it, since its just about time for Jesus to return, anyway. We know that Jesus will return before man gets around to nuclear holocaust-ing himself into oblivion.

The allowing of pain and perversion is to demonstrate the result of wrong doing, and so that we will know this world is in rebellion against God, and that if we are at peace with this corrupt world, we are enemies with God. We have to take a side.

I thank God that, when I was growing up, I was the one who was constantly beat up by my class mates, not allowed to play D&D with everyone else, last picked at sports, neglected by my parents, and hated for no good reason ... except I was the worst at every sport, and couldn't dance to save my life. Now, no one has to explain to me that this world is given over to Satan. I know, by first hand experience. I know how shallow and how abominable people become, without God.

Better to be the victim, than to despise the victim. Better yet, just take it to heart and observe what the justification of sin does to people.

You don't have to explain it to me why God judges great masses of people who are completely given over to wickedness, and who don't take anything to heart. If any among them love truth and righteousness, they will come out, when they are called out, like Rahab, Ruth, and others. Or they will find some truth, try to teach it, and be martyred for it, like Stephen. Thus do populations grow in depravity, until they are ripe for judgment. And thus are they without excuse. You don't have to choose the easy path, to conform to a wicked society. There's always a way out. For everyone. If through martyrdom, then so be it.

God already told us, over and over again, well ahead of time, that He would be allowing the Papacy to prosper.

Daniel 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

Daniel 8:12 ... and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and prospered.

Daniel 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practice, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

Daniel 11:36 ...and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished:

Rev. 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

God has a reason for doing this.

Hitler and Stalin where raised up by the Vatican, to unite Europe under the Papacy.

The messages are two, that I can see:
1. This wickedness is is an eternal reminder of the results of rebellion against God.

2. Life is not a guaranteed thing. You can die at any time. So, you better get right with God as soon as possible.

It's not correct to say those people where killed to make room for God's people. It was a judgment, like the flood and like the fire on Sodom. They had hundreds of years to repent of their wickedness. This would not have been repentance to complete devotion to God, but the kind of repentance that was expected from Nineveh. The kind that would just so much as allow for a small population of God's people to dwell there, safely.

Lev. 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.
18:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it [is] confusion.
18:24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
18:25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.

They where also sacrificing their children to devils. How, in such a depraved society could evangelism ever take place? Lot tried to evangelize, and he was rejected. They even tried to rape his guests, who where angels.

It's the same as in the flood, or the destruction of Sodom. But unlike those judgments, the wealth is preserved.

Duet. 6:10 ...to give thee great and goodly cities, which thou buildedst not,
6:11 And houses full of all good [things], which thou filledst not, and wells digged, which thou diggedst not, vineyards and olive trees, which thou plantedst not;...

God showed that it was a judgment, by sending hail.

Josh. 10:11 ...the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: [they were] more which died with hailstones than [they] whom the children of Israel slew with the sword.

They had 3 options:
1. Make peace.
2. Flee.
3. Die.

Record shows some making peace. No record of any who fled, but why would there be?

Most hardened their hearts and chose to die.


If someone is killed in self defense, or defense of the weak, it is not murder.

God has killed to defend His people. If God had not killed those people in the flood, they would have eventually converted or killed all of God's people, and the earth would be populated with 100% wicked, and 0%, who where loyal to God. Then the Messiah would not have been born. Then man could not have eternal life.

Those who murmur against God, fail to see things from an eternal perspective.

If you want to justify God, you can.
If you want to make friends with the Atheists, you can do that too.
The choice is yours.

God does not break His own law. The Bible does not teach such a thing. On the contrary:

1 John 3:5 ...in him is no sin.

You're completely on your own with that statement.

Nor is God a murderer.

If you see an Arabian man with bombs strapped to him, going toward a group of people, then you can assume he intends to blow those people up. Let's say you happen to have a sniper rifle. If you take him out, you have saved those people's lives, and will get a medal. If not, then you would be guilty of murder, because you could have stopped it, but you chose to allow it.

In fact, if you where in a position to take him out, and you didn't, you could actually be charged as an accomplice, and sentenced to death. That would be condemnation, not martyrdom.

It's the same with God. Man killed himself when he did the very thing that God said will kill him. So, your life is a gift of grace.

If God would have allowed him to live, then man would have become an immortal sinner, and would have completely joined Satan in rebellion against God, to convert, or kill all of God's people in the whole Universe.

So God allowing man to die, is in defense of the rest of the Universe who love peace, and who know that Satan does not have their best interest at heart, but just wants power over them.

Why would God allow sin to take over? If He did that, then He would be a murderer.

2 Tim. 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God...

..and..

2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.

It says they where moved by the Holy Ghost, not dreams and visions, necessarily. Dreams and visions is one way God shows people things. People who where not prophets also have dreams and visions, as we see in the Bible. A few Pharaohs, Nebuchadnezzar, Pilate's wife, Balaam, to name a few, offhand.

But the prophets, and scribes, who wrote the books of the Bible, got their information from their experience, and from people, and from many sources. They recorded history, how God would have done it, from what they knew about God.

Example of being moved by the Holy Ghost, to speak:

Acts 4:8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,

Acts 4:31 ...and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

Acts 13:9 Then Saul, (who also [is called] Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him,
13:10 And said, O full of all subtlety and all mischief, [thou] child of the devil, [thou] enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

1 Sam. 10:10 ...a company of prophets met him; and the spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them.

Notice: spirit ---> speaking

Nothing indicates they had visions. They didn't even write these things, but spoke. The scribe, who recorded the event would have been moved by the Holy Ghost to record it, I suppose. Some of these books probably took alot of research to write. In the gospels we have insider information that would have come from priests, soldier, and whoever else. Not from visions.