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#201327 - 11/21/08 02:50 PM Re: Musing from an adventist about adventists.... [Re: John317]
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Originally Posted By: John317

Do all the people you listen to on the street cause you to believe they all know that there is a judgment and they will have to answer for their sins?

There are lots people who don't believe there are consequences in this world for what they do, let alone in the next world. Part of my job at work is teaching young people this lesson. There are many who don't understand there are consequences. That is one reason a lot of people get into trouble, because they think they can get away with terrible crimes. Some do get away with them, as far as society is concerned, but they will have to face God's judgment eventually. Surely you have talked to people who don't believe in a judgment.


I will not argue that there are a few that don't believe in judgement, but the majority do. A radio station is only a tool to be used by the HS to reach an individual to turn to God. A radio station must appeal to the masses for it to be heard. It is when the masses start to actually listen, and a positive message must be repeated a lot...often...especially when dealing with humans who do not hear....


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If you talk to enough people on the streets of American cities, you can get a pretty good idea of what those people are thinking and how they think. All of that is necessary for knowing what needs to go out to the people over the radio waves and on TV broadcasting.


Won't argue that....

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I would submit that it would be. That is why KTSY does not talk about consequences...but allows the music to talk about grace, mercy, and forgiveness.


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That's necessary and good, but as yourself said, what comes after you know you're forgiven? What to do then?


Oooh, so you want KTSY to convict the people of thier sins....Sorry, that's a job of the HS and I prefer to stay out of that area...Too many people have upsurped the HS and really messed things up.

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There needs to be more than hearing that you're loved and forgiven. If there isn't more, people will continue on the milk and won't get the solid food that 1 Cor. 3: 2 speaks of. See also Heb. 6: 1-3, which says it's necessary to get beyond the elementary doctrines of Christ and on to maturity. So there needs to be a mixture of types of radio programming-- some for the spiritually immature, for sure, but others for those who already know they're loved and forgiven.


Here is where you and I differ... Radio is only a tool, it plants the seed. It allows the Holy Spirit to work with the human or other humans...We get into all sorts of arguements over what humans try to do and we all know that it never goes over well when humans try to convict one of sin...No, Radio is only to plant seeds....Let the HS convict..then the person will work to make himself approved of God.

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Maybe KTSY already does that, but if they do, why wouldn't they ever have anything on the Sabbath, the Pre-Advent Judgment, etc.?

Oh, they may drop hints from time to time....after all, thier employees are SDA and carefully selected ones....


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Yes, of course. But my point is that John 3: 16 has both the grace of God and the consequences of rejection of God's grace.


Maybe you need to hear what you should do, and maybe you are dealing with that portion of society that is concentrated within a local physcial location which makes a certain type of individual present....but the majority of people already know that there are consequences...A Christian radio station upholds family values, good stewardship, personal integrety all the while promoting that God loves and forgives, and gives mercy and has compassion toward each individual will never be decisive with bible studies that cause one to go one way or another....Let the HS guide the individual and trust that the HS knows what He is doing
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#201328 - 11/21/08 03:05 PM Re: Musing from an adventist about adventists.... [Re: John317]
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There are many churches who teach the John 3:16 message. We should be teaching that also, but we are especially to teach the 3 Angels Messages which are the special messages for this time.
Unfortunately there are many members of the SDA church who do not recognize this either.


There are thousands of new members who walk into SDA churches on a weekly basis who are watching 3ABN. Talk to someone from the Paradise SDA church in Las Vegas, Nv. I am a member of a small
church in the country, but we have several members who began attending first because they came to a Doug Bachelor meeting thinking he would be there in person. There is room for variety in programing and we shouldn't act as though Hope and 3ABN are not working together for the same result.

It looks like there are many members in our NAD church who really dont realize how many people are out there that are searching for a church who really studies the Bible deeply and teaches the special truth for this time. We need to meet all kinds of needs and reach all kinds of people, but we shouldn't leave them there.

I agree with you John. Gods love is basic. Of course it needs to be taught, but the meaning of the text is deeper than some people think. Accepting Gods love certainly means more than a simple agreement with this truth. If it doesnt make a change in our lives it means very little. I know many who call themselves Christian but they dont really beleive God makes it possible for them to change or even that God plans for them to. What is the purpose for God to give the Holy Spirit if we are not responsible for the power He gives?
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#201329 - 11/21/08 04:10 PM Re: Musing from an adventist about adventists.... [Re: Redwood]
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Originally Posted By: Redwood
Originally Posted By: Taylor
Yes I agree, but at times I think that sometimes we are afraid to share the blessings of our distinctive SDA doctrines....just because some of us had a bad experience with legalism or something growing up. What might have a "lingering bade taste in our mouth" is such a blessing to others. We need to move on, and realize what a priviledge is ours to understand the gospel as we do, and to share it with others while being appropriate, tactful, and yes "in order". However, with a radio station it is hard to be "in order" as new people are tuning in all the time while others are tuning out.

I think we need to present God's incredible love. God wants us saved worse than we want to be saved. That is a picture of God that hasn't always been presented but is so needed.


Typically .... I have not noticed Adventists in media afraid to share our doctrines. Which ones did you have in mind?


I am talking in generalities...not aimed at any one person. I think at at times us as SDA are afraid to share becuase since we see it as "boring" then thy share it with others. I don't think the SDA doctrines are "boring" they just haven't been presented in the way they should be..at least not always.

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#201330 - 11/21/08 04:14 PM Re: Musing from an adventist about adventists.... [Re: Neil D]
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Originally Posted By: Neil D
Originally Posted By: Taylor
Yes I agree, but at times I think that sometimes we are afraid to share the blessings of our distinctive SDA doctrines....just because some of us had a bad experience with legalism or something growing up. What might have a "lingering bade taste in our mouth" is such a blessing to others. We need to move on, and realize what a priviledge is ours to understand the gospel as we do, and to share it with others while being appropriate, tactful, and yes "in order". However, with a radio station it is hard to be "in order" as new people are tuning in all the time while others are tuning out.

I think we need to present God's incredible love. God wants us saved worse than we want to be saved. That is a picture of God that hasn't always been presented but is so needed.


The problem, Taylor, is that we emphasis not love, grace, forgiveness, and mercy. We emphasis love and law. We know the beauty of the message, but we don't know how to present it to a world that will accept it whole heartedly....and yet they have hear glimpses of it...some they have rejected due to the plainess of the message, some just don't make sense...

The honest truth is that our distinctive doctrine is pretty boring for those who are not grounded in our doctrines. It has made us pretty uncreative, boring our own selves. Jesus says that if the truth will set us free, then how come we are still grounded by chains of dreariness in presenting this beautify doctrine? I submit that an order in the presenting of the gospel is necessary. It is the radio's prerogative to present forgiveness, mercy, and grace and love to a non-adventist world.
I agree we must present the gospel and also figure out how to present forgiveness, mercy, grace, and love through our doctrines.

However, it is also true that differnt mediums can have different purposes. A doctor's main purpose is to care for the body while a pastor's main purpose it to case for the "soul". So it is ok to focuse on one thing. However we just need to make sure that "specialists" on all sides are "brought in" so the "entire person" listening can find healing for all areas of their lives.

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#201336 - 11/21/08 05:02 PM Re: Musing from an adventist about adventists.... [Re: Neil D]
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Originally Posted By: Neil D
Originally Posted By: John317

Do all the people you listen to on the street cause you to believe they all know that there is a judgment and they will have to answer for their sins?

There are lots people who don't believe there are consequences in this world for what they do, let alone in the next world. Part of my job at work is teaching young people this lesson. There are many who don't understand there are consequences. That is one reason a lot of people get into trouble, because they think they can get away with terrible crimes. Some do get away with them, as far as society is concerned, but they will have to face God's judgment eventually. Surely you have talked to people who don't believe in a judgment.


I will not argue that there are a few that don't believe in judgement, but the majority do. A radio station is only a tool to be used by the HS to reach an individual to turn to God. A radio station must appeal to the masses for it to be heard. It is when the masses start to actually listen, and a positive message must be repeated a lot...often...especially when dealing with humans who do not hear....


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If you talk to enough people on the streets of American cities, you can get a pretty good idea of what those people are thinking and how they think. All of that is necessary for knowing what needs to go out to the people over the radio waves and on TV broadcasting.


Won't argue that....

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I would submit that it would be. That is why KTSY does not talk about consequences...but allows the music to talk about grace, mercy, and forgiveness.


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That's necessary and good, but as yourself said, what comes after you know you're forgiven? What to do then?


Oooh, so you want KTSY to convict the people of thier sins....Sorry, that's a job of the HS and I prefer to stay out of that area...Too many people have upsurped the HS and really messed things up.

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There needs to be more than hearing that you're loved and forgiven. If there isn't more, people will continue on the milk and won't get the solid food that 1 Cor. 3: 2 speaks of. See also Heb. 6: 1-3, which says it's necessary to get beyond the elementary doctrines of Christ and on to maturity. So there needs to be a mixture of types of radio programming-- some for the spiritually immature, for sure, but others for those who already know they're loved and forgiven.


Here is where you and I differ... Radio is only a tool, it plants the seed. It allows the Holy Spirit to work with the human or other humans...We get into all sorts of arguements over what humans try to do and we all know that it never goes over well when humans try to convict one of sin...No, Radio is only to plant seeds....Let the HS convict..then the person will work to make himself approved of God.

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Maybe KTSY already does that, but if they do, why wouldn't they ever have anything on the Sabbath, the Pre-Advent Judgment, etc.?

Oh, they may drop hints from time to time....after all, thier employees are SDA and carefully selected ones....


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Yes, of course. But my point is that John 3: 16 has both the grace of God and the consequences of rejection of God's grace.


Maybe you need to hear what you should do, and maybe you are dealing with that portion of society that is concentrated within a local physcial location which makes a certain type of individual present....but the majority of people already know that there are consequences...A Christian radio station upholds family values, good stewardship, personal integrety all the while promoting that God loves and forgives, and gives mercy and has compassion toward each individual will never be decisive with bible studies that cause one to go one way or another....Let the HS guide the individual and trust that the HS knows what He is doing


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#201343 - 11/21/08 05:56 PM Re: Musing from an adventist about adventists.... [Re: Neil D]
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Originally Posted By: fccool

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That's necessary and good, but as yourself said, what comes after you know you're forgiven? What to do then?


Oooh, so you want KTSY to convict the people of thier sins....Sorry, that's a job of the HS and I prefer to stay out of that area...Too many people have upsurped the HS and really messed things up.

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There needs to be more than hearing that you're loved and forgiven. If there isn't more, people will continue on the milk and won't get the solid food that 1 Cor. 3: 2 speaks of. See also Heb. 6: 1-3, which says it's necessary to get beyond the elementary doctrines of Christ and on to maturity. So there needs to be a mixture of types of radio programming-- some for the spiritually immature, for sure, but others for those who already know they're loved and forgiven.


Here is where you and I differ... Radio is only a tool, it plants the seed. It allows the Holy Spirit to work with the human or other humans...We get into all sorts of arguements over what humans try to do and we all know that it never goes over well when humans try to convict one of sin...No, Radio is only to plant seeds....Let the HS convict..then the person will work to make himself approved of God.


The convicting of sin would be done all along, I would think. Anytime you are pointing people to a perfect Savior, and if they are being drawn, people are aware of their sinfulness and want to be right with Him.

But what I had in mind at this point-- after people know they are forgiven--is to teach further Bible truths, such as, How to Understand the Bible, Jesus in Bible Prophecy, Daniel 2, the Second Coming, the Signs of the Last Days, What the Bible says Heaven will be like, the nature of man in death, the two Covenants, the Judgment happening now in heaven, etc.

These could be in the form of discussions between two or three people, perhaps in the form of a radio drama, or they could be selected sermons.

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#201347 - 11/21/08 06:27 PM Re: Musing from an adventist about adventists.... [Re: fccool]
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Originally Posted By: fccool
I actually wrote an article on the subject a while ago. I'll abstain from flooding the post by pasting the entire article... but here are a couple of paragraphs....


All good. I would be interested in seeing how this translates into communicating the Three Angels Messages.

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#201349 - 11/21/08 07:04 PM Re: Musing from an adventist about adventists.... [Re: John317]
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The 3 angel's messages come as a progression of messages. You can't understand the second and the third without clear understanding of the first.

So, for me... we should emphasize the 1st in the Evangelism outreach, and then the 2nd and the third are a part of the ongoing Christian Education. Instead we spend a day on the first message, and then a month on the second and the third.

There should be more of a from the ground up education.... who is God, why can we trust Bible, why evolution is wrong. We hardly have any of these seminars. Most of the seminars we conduct are targeting the Christians from the other churches to come and join ours. If we are not... then we need to re-think the mode of presentation.

You can't go from point A-C without first hitting A-B in a way that is clear. It takes time.

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#201352 - 11/21/08 07:56 PM Re: Musing from an adventist about adventists.... [Re: Neil D]
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In addition to KTSY, its "sister" Adventist radio station in the Washington/Baltimore area, WGTS, has a regular audience of at least 275,000 people every week! And from feedback they get this includes many unchurched and many who consider WGTS to be their church. Yesterday they concluded their 3 day "Sharathon", raising more than $1.5 million in direct listener support, the overwhelming majority of whom are not Adventist! (Sadly, many Adventist's are so unsupportive of this radio ministry that there was serious thought given to selling this highly valued "asset" to help bail out the financially stressed college it is associated with.)


I would be willing to venture that the listernership of these two stations eclipse all of the listenership of 3ABN Radio and LifeTalk Radio stations (similar in format and content to 3ABN Radio, but actually owned and operated by the Church)combined. The bulk of their stations are Low Power FM (FCC regulated to a broadcast radius of less than 5 miles) which usually have limited potential audiences.
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#201355 - 11/21/08 08:17 PM Re: Musing from an adventist about adventists.... [Re: Tom Wetmore]
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It was estimated that Adventist Radio overall is listened by 1% of US population.

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