JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church.

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#23162 - 01/25/05 05:58 PM Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church. [Re: sweettrini]
Nicodema Registered: 11/22/03 Posts: 777 Loc: Beyond your grasp	Quote: Rest.. He does...but how? and what does come unto Him mean? Not to be glib, but it means just what it says: come to Him. For us today it means turn to Him in prayer and the reading of His word. The verses that follow this invitation expound a bit more by inviting us to swap our yoke or burden for His and "learn of Him." His way brings rest to our souls. Then when we work for Him there is a lightness to what we do that isn't there when we are laboring unto ourselves for only our own ends. That doesn't mean those ends are evil or illegitimate -- Paul said something like "if a man does not work he should not eat" -- but by themselves these ends are burdensome. When we labor for the Master we have His care to rely upon; His strong arm to uphold us. And as far as our daily duties as human beings in family, workplace, society go, everything we do may be consecrated to Him and be done for Him and as unto Him. When we clean house, tend babies, tend gardens, tend loved ones, do our paperwork or web sites or architectural planning or doctoring or lawyering, cabinetry or car repair, it all may be done to His glory as unto Him in service. Quote: and why does the Holy Spirit inspire Matthew to put these words right before a major sabbath encounter in chapter 12? Good question -- let's discuss -- though I would not presume to speak for the Holy Spirit in terms of why She(kinah) does as She(kinah) does. _________________________ "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot
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#23163 - 01/25/05 06:02 PM Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church. [Re: sweettrini]
Nicodema Registered: 11/22/03 Posts: 777 Loc: Beyond your grasp	Quote: Other non Christian persuasion demonstrate their animosity toward God by depersonalizing Him..saying that God is energy. Christianity goes down a similar path by depersonalizing what the gospel is about. When soteriology is emphasized with accounting and legal terms it is depersonalized. Very good point, JB. I don't quite get the last one though, can you explain a bit further please? I KIND OF get it but need more fill-out on it ... I gather you're talking about the notion of Jesus changing the mind of a ticked-off Father God by dying but I really need you to spell it out in detail for me. Quote: When expiation is related to wrath and and a Godly attitude adjustment..then it is depersonalized. _________________________ "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot
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#23164 - 01/25/05 07:09 PM Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church. [Re: ]
Anonymous Unregistered	When the shallow gospel, that is preached, guts the relational, emotional, heartfelt and detailed cognitive elements out then there is lack of appreciation for it. I am going to post tidbits because that is the way it is revealed to me. When the language is shallow and also forensic/legal..it lacks the power that the gospel is supposed to have.. look at what was in the beginning...the animal was slain and Adam and Eve were told the gospel...but part was about the enmity..remember? Much about the enmity is ignored.... Look at why Joseph didn't have illicit relations with Potipher's wife. Eph 4 "30": And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Heb 1 "9": Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Verse 9 "hated" reveals the enmity. The gospel deals with the enmity, against righteousness, of the carnal/fleshy human. Usually the gospel is preached...God loved the world..and died to pay for our sins or the penalty for sin and we respond by loving him for this... well yeah...but...love is something that grows in knowledge and discernment. I was speaking to a programmer about a quote in last week's lesson where God has an answer for the sin emergency... I said when he is called in he fixes a bug.. some say, well he fixes a problem with computer. One who understand C+ language and knows that he has to look through thousands of lines of code will appreciate his fixing the problem verses some window washer or oil change mechanic..who never did any computer programming and more later.. Edited by JimBob7 (01/25/05 07:30 PM)
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#23165 - 01/25/05 07:37 PM Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church. [Re: ]
Anonymous Unregistered	The religious persuasion of the Jewish CLERGY was one of burdensome, exacting, oppressive legalism that all went to maintain carnality and prop/puff it up... It is a toilsome life when one has to be constantly on guard for their reputation and status in life..to be #1 and a big shot..to be esteemed highly and flattered or praised. Jesus showed what was to be great..a compassionate sensitive servant of others...to do all one can to be a person who tries to share an abundant life truth message and maximize what life has to offer for others...to please God by doing justice, loving mercy and living humbly.
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#23166 - 01/25/05 07:43 PM Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church. [Re: sweettrini]
Anonymous Unregistered	The gospel is not for dealing with the wrath of God...it is a plan/method for human restoration/character transformation to be able to live harmony with others in heaven/universe/new earth. Take the most respected SDA workers/staff/media darlings...and let them maintain human enmity toward righteousness and put them in heaven... Just another penal colony like Earth.
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#23167 - 01/25/05 07:55 PM Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church. [Re: sweettrini]
Anonymous Unregistered	This portion deals with etnic or cultural enmity.... take it also with a meaning of the old man/person verses God Eph 2 "14": For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; "15": Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; "16": And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
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#23168 - 01/25/05 08:02 PM Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church. [Re: sweettrini]
Anonymous Unregistered	Education The central theme of the Bible, the theme about which every other in the whole book clusters, is the redemption plan, the restoration in the human soul of the image of God. From the first intimation of hope in the sentence pronounced in Eden to that last glorious promise of the Revelation, "They shall see His face; and His name shall be in their foreheads" (Revelation 22:4), the burden of every book and every passage of the Bible is the unfolding of this wondrous theme,--man's uplifting,--the power of 126 God, "which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Corinthians 15:57. {Ed 125.2} He who grasps this thought has before him an infinite field for study. He has the key that will unlock to him the whole treasure house of God's word. {Ed 126.1}
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#23169 - 01/25/05 08:10 PM Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church. [Re: sweettrini]
Anonymous Unregistered	Fundamentals of Christian Education We are in the world, but we are not to be of the world. Jesus entreats that those for whom He died, may not lose their eternal reward by lavishing their affections on the things of this perishing earth, and so cheat themselves out of unending happiness. An enlightened judgment compels us to acknowledge that heavenly things are superior to the things of earth, and yet the depraved heart of man leads him to give precedence to the things of the world. The opinions of great men, the theories of science, falsely so-called, are blended with the truths of Holy Writ. {FE 182.1} But the heart that is surrendered to God, loves the truth of God's word; for through the truth the soul is regenerated. The carnal mind finds no pleasure in contemplating the word of God, but he who is renewed in the spirit of his mind, sees new charms in the living oracles; for divine beauty and celestial light seem to shine in every passage. That which was to the carnal mind a desolate wilderness, to the spiritual mind becomes a land of living streams. That which to the unrenewed heart appeared a barren waste, to the converted soul becomes the garden of God, covered with fragrant buds and blooming flowers. {FE 182.2} THE GOSPEL IS AN EVIL ENMITY ELIMINATOR... Edited by JimBob7 (01/25/05 08:17 PM)
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#23170 - 01/25/05 08:16 PM Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church. [Re: sweettrini]
Anonymous Unregistered	Now maybe some readers will see why I CONFRONT THE CLERGY. I am speaking especially of the ones who preach NFDMTTS...and neglect the word... They reveal they are despisers and rejectors of Christ .. they disseminate religious dope and hook their sheeple on theological wine... Those who shuffle in and out of church and do not have their ENMITY dealt with are headed to the 2nd resurrection.
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#23171 - 01/25/05 08:21 PM Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church. [Re: sweettrini]
Nicodema Registered: 11/22/03 Posts: 777 Loc: Beyond your grasp	Quote: When the language is shallow and also forensic/legal..it lacks the power that the gospel is supposed to have.. look at what was in the beginning...the animal was slain and Adam and Eve were told the gospel...but part was about the enmity..remember? Much about the enmity is ignored.... Look at why Joseph didn't have illicit relations with Potipher's wife. Eph 4 "30": And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Heb 1 "9": Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Verse 9 "hated" reveals the enmity. The gospel deals with the enmity, against righteousness, of the carnal/fleshy human. I think I see what you're saying here, and I agree. It is also an important component of the gospel that without God's love toward us and mercy toward us, we would remain in enmity against Him. It is He who has reached out to reconcile us to Him through Christ, and to fulfill the promise to Adam and Eve made in the beginning: "I will PUT enmity ..." (between them & the serpent) -- because after sin, that enmity was no longer there (for the carnal mind/nature became amenable to satanic/sin traits instead of godly ones). Quote: I was speaking to a programmer about a quote in last week's lesson where God has an answer for the sin emergency... I said when he is called in he fixes a bug.. some say, well he fixes a problem with computer. One who understand C+ language and knows that he has to look through thousands of lines of code will appreciate his fixing the problem verses some window washer or oil change mechanic..who never did any computer programming I can relate to this as well. I don't code in C++ but I know what it is to pore over lines and lines of code, comparing code with code till your eyeballs burst, looking for the error, and for where one code calls another in to do a job trying to track down how the pieces fit together to locate the problem ... it is NOT just easy peasy ... _________________________ "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot
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