#23142 - 01/22/05 04:48 PM
JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church.
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Remember the messianic chapter in Isaiah (53)
We focused on it a bit in last week's SS lesson.
"3": He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
I was studying the SS lesson this week and meditating on the themes and another light bulb came on.
The verse is still true and it applies to the church.
Matt 24
"24": For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
The deception IN the church is regarding who Jesus is and what He expects. It also encroaches on the fiction that one thinks that they love Jesus.
Jesus seems to be a wonderful adorable savior...that is until he comes and stays at your house for more than a week.
It is fairly easy to tolerate a guest for a couple hours a week.
Think of family or relatives visiting...ya know how it is when they are there for extended stays??
What are the hints that reveal the hostility, animosity, and recoiling toward the person of Jesus?
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#23143 - 01/22/05 05:09 PM
Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church.
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JimBob,
At first I felt inclined to approach this by challenging you with whether you meant to imply that if one's Jesus is not a jerk, one is not worshipping the "right" Jesus. That if one is not encountering a harsh, exacting taskmaster -- or a rude, intrusive "jerk" -- they are not encountering the Living God.
Then I paused (or maybe the Spirit of God paused me) and realized that would be jumping to conclusions, so I have decided instead to ASK you -- would you like to share what you meant by those statements? What kind of Jesus do you think people should be encountering on that more-than-a-few-hours-weekly basis? What kind of Jesus is this not-so-adorable wonderful savior? What do you think makes Jesus "hard to live with" as you hinted (regarding prolonged guest stays & getting on with relatives, etc.)?
When I read Isaiah 53:3 and apply it to today, I tend to think of the popular cliques and their expectations that Jesus would be one of them. I'd like to shove it in their faces that Jesus could just as easily have been physically unattractive, a "nerd", a "goody two shoes", or in some other way one of the "outcast" group instead of the in-group. I think it's important for ALL of us to know that Jesus doesn't come with the coin of man's realm, so to speak, to recommend Him, but with the coin of the Heavenly, if you get my drift. His is the REAL mintage of the heart, of the interior substance of His Being, not how good He looked or how witty He could be or how far He could kick a ball or how much He could show off to the lads. Y'know?
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#23144 - 01/22/05 05:18 PM
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Nico,
I need to run to SS
Thanks for the reply and your post was a good elaboration..
Look at the latter part of the verse where Isaiah..says "we".
Then refer to Rom 8:7 Jer 17:9..
Think of why a prophet is slain and the reaction to a prophet in the bible.
Think of the doctrinal controversies in the church..not just SDA.
Think of my homiletic tirade/rant on this site.
Think of the reverence issues I bring up (cellphones , noise in the church)..
Look atTuesday's lesson for today and the contoversy regarding the theme.
Think of what Satan claims regarding the law of God
Clues..
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#23145 - 01/22/05 05:34 PM
Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church.
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Think about Jesus more as your beloved: I could spend all day, every day, 24/7/365/three-score-and-ten-plus-another-two-score, with my Suzie and enjoy every moment. And Jesus is more loving than that. He (and she) encourages me to become more than I am and do better, but I want to, I'm not nagged to.
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#23146 - 01/22/05 05:55 PM
Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church.
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Bravus have you ever seen As Good as it Gets with Jack Nicholson playing the OCD guy? When he tells Helen Hunt's character, "You make me want to be a better man," to me that sums up the essence of Love -- especially in light of what a completely difficult life this man leads and how his condition so completely isolates him from successfully interfacing with "normal" society, etc. Well, love, to me, is what makes me want to be a better whatever -- person, woman, wife, girlfriend, friend, helper, mother, sister, daughter -- you name it. Love is what makes me want to be better than I am, and not a bit because I "have to". It's because I WANT to. That's what I'm looking for in a God -- Someone who can put that Want To in my heart. Do you think that's how Jesus works with us? By putting the "Want To" there? p.s. your love for your wife really shines in your posts whenever you mention her! it's nice to see a man still "delighting himself in the wife of his youth" at our age.  ... restores one's faith in human nature (at least, as intended by God to be, that is).
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#23147 - 01/22/05 06:16 PM
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Thanx, Nico - it rocks to be crazy in love with my wife!
JimBob, it's a great concept though: "If Jesus came to stay at my house". (No! NO reality TV show!)
I think, simply put, he'd surprise and challenge any one of us by the things He's comfortable with and the things he challenges us to change. There'd definitely be times when he'd be surprisingly hardline around us liberal relativists. And there'd be times when some of the more hardline humans would call *Him* a liberal relativist! He'd be comfortable with things that make us uncomfortable - remember, this is the guy who partied with the whores and drunks, and I guarantee you those parties didn't turn all G-rated just because He was there.
I suspect we'd turn off the TV, not so much because we were ashamed of what was on, but because it was more interesting and more fun to talk to Him.
I'm not sure where this 'prickly, hard to live with' notion of Jesus comes from - yes, He always challenged people to grow, learn, choose life, be saved. But remember He was always surrounded by a crowd of people who had dropped what they were doing and just couldn't stand to not be with Him. He was surrounded by kids playing and just enjoying being with Him. People were sending messengers across the country to get Him to come to their village. Doesn't seem to me like he was all prickly and censorious and a pain to be around ...
Edited by Bravus (01/22/05 06:20 PM)
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#23149 - 01/22/05 07:48 PM
Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church.
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Hey Nan isn't that kind of like the Mary/Martha split? Martha thinking she had to be the perfect hostess, show the best courtesy and impeccable manners not to mention diligence, etc. -- while Mary just wants to hang out and listen to the cascading waters of life flowing from the Master's lips, tasting the joy of His presence.
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#23150 - 01/24/05 03:51 AM
Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church.
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Refer to SSL #5 Monday for additional insight.
I used Jer 17:9 and Rom 8:7 in yesterday's SS class
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#23152 - 01/24/05 07:00 PM
Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church.
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Don't feel bad, hon. I have the heart of a Mary but the nervous reactions of a Martha. I think most Marthas are like that. We have the same heart as a Mary, we just get all skittered in the head over things. I don't read Jesus' answer to Martha as a total rebuke either, but as comfort. Remember He said, "You are anxious and troubled about many things." Think of Him saying that kindly, with understanding in His eyes, and then when He says "Mary has chosen the good part, which shall not be taken from her," see that as Him inviting you to do so as well! He's saying, "I know this is what you really want -- so come join us, and fear not that I will think any less of you for it." In other words, He is saying, "It's OK to relax with Me." 
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#23153 - 01/24/05 07:24 PM
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There is another factor here...what is Jesus really like..but for the most part...those who are in the know have clues as to their honest attitude toward Jesus.
I am elaborating on the SS thread.
I pasted a quote from Monday.
JOHN 15
"18": If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
"19": If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
"20": Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
"21": But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
"22": If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
"23": He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
"24": If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
"25": But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
Think of the queen in Snow White hating Snow White and becoming a witch and killing her
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#23154 - 01/24/05 07:30 PM
Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church.
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True JimBob, but remember also that the world hates other things besides Jesus. In general the world hates a braggart, a boaster, a self-righteous stuck-up egotist, and any number of overweening and overmuchly visible objectionable traits in others that members of said "world" freely tolerate in moderation in themselves. Thus persecution alone is insufficient grounds for considering oneself in such noble service to the Master as to warrant a fulfillment of the above verses in his own experience thereof. One must of necessity examine oneself thoroughly and objectively in the matter to see whether there be fault in the messenger which eclipses the message.
But you and I, we've been through that
And this is not our fate
So let us not talk falsely now
The hour's getting late.
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#23155 - 01/24/05 07:35 PM
Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church.
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The deception IN the church is regarding who Jesus is and what He expects. It also encroaches on the fiction that one thinks that they love Jesus.
This is the theme of this thread.
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#23156 - 01/24/05 07:38 PM
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True, however you are on a tangent.
There is deception in the church regarding the gospel that is due to shallow soteriology...and it is connected to enmity and that enmity is in the same places as it always has been.
That enmity is what results in lack of reverence, NFDMTTS, and spiritual apathy.
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#23158 - 01/25/05 10:55 AM
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In other words, He is saying, "It's OK to relax with Me."
Sometimes hard to remember that when things are pushing in from all sides but yes you are right
(and today has been an OK one)
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#23160 - 01/25/05 05:30 PM
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Rest..
He does...but how? and what does come unto Him mean?
and why does the Holy Spirit inspire Matthew to put these words right before a major sabbath encounter in chapter 12?
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#23161 - 01/25/05 05:35 PM
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Other non Christian persuasion demonstrate their animosity toward God by depersonalizing Him..saying that God is energy.
Christianity goes down a similar path by depersonalizing what the gospel is about.
When soteriology is emphasized with accounting and legal terms it is depersonalized.
When expiation is related to wrath and and a Godly attitude adjustment..then it is depersonalized.
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#23162 - 01/25/05 05:58 PM
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Rest..
He does...but how? and what does come unto Him mean?
Not to be glib, but it means just what it says: come to Him. For us today it means turn to Him in prayer and the reading of His word. The verses that follow this invitation expound a bit more by inviting us to swap our yoke or burden for His and "learn of Him." His way brings rest to our souls. Then when we work for Him there is a lightness to what we do that isn't there when we are laboring unto ourselves for only our own ends. That doesn't mean those ends are evil or illegitimate -- Paul said something like "if a man does not work he should not eat" -- but by themselves these ends are burdensome. When we labor for the Master we have His care to rely upon; His strong arm to uphold us. And as far as our daily duties as human beings in family, workplace, society go, everything we do may be consecrated to Him and be done for Him and as unto Him. When we clean house, tend babies, tend gardens, tend loved ones, do our paperwork or web sites or architectural planning or doctoring or lawyering, cabinetry or car repair, it all may be done to His glory as unto Him in service.
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and why does the Holy Spirit inspire Matthew to put these words right before a major sabbath encounter in chapter 12?
Good question -- let's discuss -- though I would not presume to speak for the Holy Spirit in terms of why She(kinah) does as She(kinah) does.
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#23164 - 01/25/05 07:09 PM
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When the shallow gospel, that is preached, guts the relational, emotional, heartfelt and detailed cognitive elements out then there is lack of appreciation for it.
I am going to post tidbits because that is the way it is revealed to me.
When the language is shallow and also forensic/legal..it lacks the power that the gospel is supposed to have..
look at what was in the beginning...the animal was slain and Adam and Eve were told the gospel...but part was about the enmity..remember?
Much about the enmity is ignored....
Look at why Joseph didn't have illicit relations with Potipher's wife.
Eph 4
"30": And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Heb 1
"9": Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Verse 9 "hated" reveals the enmity.
The gospel deals with the enmity, against righteousness, of the carnal/fleshy human.
Usually the gospel is preached...God loved the world..and died to pay for our sins or the penalty for sin and we respond by loving him for this...
well yeah...but...love is something that grows in knowledge and discernment.
I was speaking to a programmer about a quote in last week's lesson where God has an answer for the sin emergency...
I said when he is called in he fixes a bug..
some say, well he fixes a problem with computer.
One who understand C+ language and knows that he has to look through thousands of lines of code will appreciate his fixing the problem verses some window washer or oil change mechanic..who never did any computer programming
and more later..
Edited by JimBob7 (01/25/05 07:30 PM)
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#23165 - 01/25/05 07:37 PM
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The religious persuasion of the Jewish CLERGY was one of burdensome, exacting, oppressive legalism that all went to maintain carnality and prop/puff it up...
It is a toilsome life when one has to be constantly on guard for their reputation and status in life..to be #1 and a big shot..to be esteemed highly and flattered or praised.
Jesus showed what was to be great..a compassionate sensitive servant of others...to do all one can to be a person who tries to share an abundant life truth message and maximize what life has to offer for others...to please God by doing justice, loving mercy and living humbly.
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#23166 - 01/25/05 07:43 PM
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The gospel is not for dealing with the wrath of God...it is a plan/method for human restoration/character transformation to be able to live harmony with others in heaven/universe/new earth.
Take the most respected SDA workers/staff/media darlings...and let them maintain human enmity toward righteousness and put them in heaven...
Just another penal colony like Earth.
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#23167 - 01/25/05 07:55 PM
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This portion deals with etnic or cultural enmity....
take it also with a meaning of the old man/person verses God
Eph 2
"14": For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
"15": Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
"16": And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
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#23168 - 01/25/05 08:02 PM
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Education
The central theme of the Bible, the theme about which every other in the whole book clusters, is the redemption plan, the restoration in the human soul of the image of God. From the first intimation of hope in the sentence pronounced in Eden to that last glorious promise of the Revelation, "They shall see His face; and His name shall be in their foreheads" (Revelation 22:4), the burden of every book and every passage of the Bible is the unfolding of this wondrous theme,--man's uplifting,--the power of
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God, "which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Corinthians 15:57. {Ed 125.2}
He who grasps this thought has before him an infinite field for study. He has the key that will unlock to him the whole treasure house of God's word. {Ed 126.1}
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#23169 - 01/25/05 08:10 PM
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Fundamentals of Christian Education
We are in the world, but we are not to be of the world. Jesus entreats that those for whom He died, may not lose their eternal reward by lavishing their affections on the things of this perishing earth, and so cheat themselves out of unending happiness. An enlightened judgment compels us to acknowledge that heavenly things are superior to the things of earth, and yet the depraved heart of man leads him to give precedence to the things of the world. The opinions of great men, the theories of science, falsely so-called, are blended with the truths of Holy Writ. {FE 182.1}
But the heart that is surrendered to God, loves the truth of God's word; for through the truth the soul is regenerated. The carnal mind finds no pleasure in contemplating the word of God, but he who is renewed in the spirit of his mind, sees new charms in the living oracles; for divine beauty and celestial light seem to shine in every passage. That which was to the carnal mind a desolate wilderness, to the spiritual mind becomes a land of living streams. That which to the unrenewed heart appeared a barren waste, to the converted soul becomes the garden of God, covered with fragrant buds and blooming flowers. {FE 182.2}
THE GOSPEL IS AN EVIL ENMITY ELIMINATOR...
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#23170 - 01/25/05 08:16 PM
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Now maybe some readers will see why I CONFRONT THE CLERGY.
I am speaking especially of the ones who preach NFDMTTS...and neglect the word...
They reveal they are despisers and rejectors of Christ ..
they disseminate religious dope and hook their sheeple on theological wine...
Those who shuffle in and out of church and do not have their ENMITY dealt with are headed to the 2nd resurrection.
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#23171 - 01/25/05 08:21 PM
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When the language is shallow and also forensic/legal..it lacks the power that the gospel is supposed to have..
look at what was in the beginning...the animal was slain and Adam and Eve were told the gospel...but part was about the enmity..remember?
Much about the enmity is ignored....
Look at why Joseph didn't have illicit relations with Potipher's wife.
Eph 4
"30": And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Heb 1
"9": Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Verse 9 "hated" reveals the enmity.
The gospel deals with the enmity, against righteousness, of the carnal/fleshy human.
I think I see what you're saying here, and I agree. It is also an important component of the gospel that without God's love toward us and mercy toward us, we would remain in enmity against Him. It is He who has reached out to reconcile us to Him through Christ, and to fulfill the promise to Adam and Eve made in the beginning: "I will PUT enmity ..." (between them & the serpent) -- because after sin, that enmity was no longer there (for the carnal mind/nature became amenable to satanic/sin traits instead of godly ones).
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I was speaking to a programmer about a quote in last week's lesson where God has an answer for the sin emergency...
I said when he is called in he fixes a bug..
some say, well he fixes a problem with computer.
One who understand C+ language and knows that he has to look through thousands of lines of code will appreciate his fixing the problem verses some window washer or oil change mechanic..who never did any computer programming
I can relate to this as well. I don't code in C++ but I know what it is to pore over lines and lines of code, comparing code with code till your eyeballs burst, looking for the error, and for where one code calls another in to do a job trying to track down how the pieces fit together to locate the problem ... it is NOT just easy peasy ...
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#23172 - 01/25/05 08:32 PM
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JimBob, I notice you usually don't drop in on the Bible & Theology threads -- I posted about Eph. 2 on there. Actually there are three "two made one" matters here, or three (1 fn 1 = 1) equations. They are: - Human DNA/flesh + Divine Spirit (seed) = Christ, God incarnate
- Carnal nature + Regenerated nature = One man, a Believer
- OT Israel + Gentiles = One Community of Faith
and yes the last item includes the breakdown of hostile separation & enmity between ethnic groups too. "My house shall be called an house of prayer for all peoples."
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#23174 - 01/25/05 09:56 PM
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First the disclaimers...  Noah preached, Jesus preached, Paul preached.. Acts 28 "27": For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. Isaiah wrote this , Jesus quoted it and so did Paul here.. ------------------------ GC ch 27 (Modern Revivals) the beginning of the chapter.. Wherever the word of God has been faithfully preached, results have followed that attested its divine origin. The Spirit of God accompanied the message of His servants, and the word was with power. Sinners felt their consciences quickened. The "light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world" illumined the secret chambers of their souls, and the hidden things of darkness were made manifest. Deep conviction took hold upon their minds and hearts. They were convinced of sin and of righteousness and of judgment to come. They had a sense of the righteousness of Jehovah and felt the terror of appearing, in their guilt and uncleanness, before the Searcher of hearts. In anguish they cried out: "Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?" As the cross of Calvary, with its infinite sacrifice for the sins of men, was revealed, they saw that nothing but the merits of Christ could suffice to atone for their transgressions; this alone could reconcile man to God. With faith and humility they accepted the Lamb of God, that taketh away the sin of the world. Through the blood of Jesus they had "remission of sins that are past." These souls brought forth fruit meet for repentance. They believed and were baptized, and rose to walk in newness of life--new creatures in Christ Jesus; not to fashion themselves according to the former lusts, but by the faith of the Son of 462 God to follow in His steps, to reflect His character, and to purify themselves even as He is pure. The things they once hated they now loved, and the things they once loved they hated. The proud and self-assertive became meek and lowly of heart. The vain and supercilious became serious and unobtrusive. The profane became reverent, the drunken sober, and the profligate pure. The vain fashions of the world were laid aside. Christians sought not the "outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; but . . . the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price." 1 Peter 3:3, 4.
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#23175 - 01/25/05 10:02 PM
Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church.
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What faithfully means...
CLEAR and RELEVANT...
Neh 8
"8": So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.
This does not mean...
God loves you no matter what...keep your eyes on Jeeezzuss...He will never , ever, never , ever forsake you....Jesus loves me this I know..for the bible tells me so...THIS LITTLE LIGHT OF MINE...
There's POWER in the blood, power in the blood..
We're only human, nobody's perfect, everbody makes mistakes.. stay balanced..moderation in all things...moderation in adultery, lying, stealing, church attendance...
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#23176 - 01/25/05 10:04 PM
Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church.
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JimBob, I think your references to 'Jeeezzuss' in this post and a number of past ones skirts very close to the borders of blasphemy. I'm not going to edit it this time, but please be careful to make your points in a way that's appropriately respectful of God's name.
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It's like no-one ever read their Gibbon
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#23177 - 01/25/05 10:13 PM
Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church.
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and... church has a goal...knowing Jesus, character transformation (restoration) and making Him known... for transformation of their character.. what this entails is that a Pastor should have an OUTREACH program for diverse people in his flock.. CLIRTS FORT MSNCF We overcome by helping others to overcome..by the blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony. This means that the pastor is not to only have a weekly religious therapy and entertainment service. The church is a LIFE ENRICHMENT CENTER AND A TRAINING GROUND TO ASSAULT THE WORLD FOR JESUS... 
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#23178 - 01/25/05 10:18 PM
Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church.
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Bravus,
I am glad you are reading ..and I appreciate your sensitivity.
Feel free to correct the spelling or delete..your call.
You will notice that I only spell it that way when I am mimmicking a sloppy message speaker..that is sliming with a loose shallow message..etc..
When I use His name in any other context you will see I spell it correctly.
there is no one I admire more than our Lord and savior...
If this still bothers you let me know.
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#23179 - 01/25/05 10:35 PM
Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church.
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{cont}
dealing with enmity..
Since God is the expert and we are his creation/product...his method is the key.
An innocent creation suffering and dying moves people.
ie the cross.
People need to be inspired, moved on the emotional level..
the tendency is for hearts to be selfish, hard and cold..
What jerks people out of their carnal inertia is really moving tear jerking stories...
why do you think so many go to movies...??
Sure for sex violence, thrills..but do you hear some good stuff too...the 10 hanky movies???
A Walk to remember?
Patch Adams
Simon Birch.
Here is a goodie I just told my son...
One line in BEN HUR....
Heston had just stayed at the cross while the mom, sister and girlfriend left...
when Heston got to his house he mentioned about Jesus and him saying Father forgive them....
Heston then said.."when Jesus said this the sword was taken out of my hand"
He had the sword against his old playmate Messalah and Rome..ENMITY....
His heart was softened and he had peace...and then he saw his mom and sister come down the steps healed...
A long time ago..when asked about what moved them about BEN HUR..the people during the premiere showing were reported not to say...WOW!! WHAT A GREAT CHARIOT RACE...they were moved / inspired by something else..
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#23180 - 01/25/05 11:55 PM
Re: JESUS is still DESPISED & REJECTED in the church.
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PS 51
"17": The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Is 57
"15": For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
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(*she says in a friendly way*)
I guess He really wants us to be at ease with Him! 
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