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#27362 - 02/21/05 02:26 AM SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25
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SABBATH AFTERNOON February 19

Read for This Week's Study: Matt. 28:9, John 11:1-46, 20:10-18, Rom. 6:4-6, 1 Cor. 15:3-8.


Memory Text: "Why seek ye the living among the dead? He is not here, but is risen?" (Luke 24:5, 6).

His name was Rebbe (for Rabbi) Menachem Schneerson, and at the time of his death in 1994, speculation was rife among thousands of Lubavitch Jews that the 92-year-old spiritual leader was the long-awaited Messiah. After all, they said, he claimed lineage to King David (and such a righteous man as the rebbe would not lie). His physical sufferings fulfilled, they said, the predictions of Isaiah 53; and the intravenous tubes in his body were a fulfillment of the predictions that the Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced. All that remains, they believe, is for him to be resurrected from the dead. So far, though, Rebbe Schneerson is still resting quietly.

Contrast this rebbe and his death to another Rebbe and His death, almost two thousand years ago. It's obvious which one is the real Messiah.



The Week at a Glance: What specific miracles did Jesus do that should have prepared people for His resurrection, were they open to it? How convincing is the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus? How does the resurrection of Christ form the foundation for our own? What happened at the Cross that has paved the way for our resurrection?


*Study this week's lesson to prepare for Sabbath, February 26


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SUNDAY February 20

Precursors

Throughout His earthly ministry, Jesus performed numerous miracles: healing those who were blind, feeding the 5,000, turning water into wine, curing leprosy, walking on water, casting out demons, mending deformities, stilling a storm, raising the dead, and so many other acts that, as John said, the world itself couldn't contain the books "that should be written" about what Jesus did (John 21:25).

Read the following texts. What miracles did Jesus perform here, and how do these acts fit in with the miracle of His own resurrection from the dead? See also Matt. 11:5.

Mark 5:35-43

Luke 7:11-17

John 11:1-46



What's so important about these accounts is they prove that the power attending Jesus and His ministry is so great that even the dead could be raised. Numerous times prior to the cross, Jesus talked about not just His death but His resurrection from that death (see Matt. 12:38-40; 17:22, 23; 20:19). Under normal circumstances, one could (and should) be a bit skeptical about someone who claimed that although he or she was going to die soon, three days after death he or she would be resurrected. Of course, Christ's situation was hardly "normal"; even more so, by doing what He did in raising the dead, Jesus gave His followers and all those who had heard about Him undeniable demonstrations of the power of God to raise the dead, thus making the promise of His own resurrection something that should have been easier for people to believe.

Read John 11:25. What's so important about what Jesus said here? Why, in the context it was given, were those words so powerful and so full of hope? Most household dust is composed, really, of us; it's dead skin. Run a finger across a counter, and you'll be staring at your future, at least in the short term. What, however, is your long-term hope, and how is that linked to the resurrection of Jesus?




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MONDAY February 21

The Resurrected Christ

Leo Tolstoy wrote his great novel War and Peace about a number of aristocratic Russian families during the time of Napoleon's war against Russia in the early 1800s. The story itself, the characters, their lives, were a fabrication. He made them all up.

Now, imagine Tolstoy insisting that these people were, in fact, real and that they actually lived and did what he said they did. Imagine, too, that he was told by the authorities to stop telling people that his characters were real or that the police would throw him in jail or even kill him. Unless Tolstoy were insane, he'd stop, would he not? Why die promoting as truth a story you made up and know is a lie?

In a sense, this is the dilemma that the critics of the resurrection of Jesus face: Why would the Bible writers make up the story that Jesus was raised from the dead when He wasn't? It's not as if they became wealthy, popular, or successful by promoting this story; on the contrary, they faced ostracism, persecution, torture, jail, and, in some cases, death. Why go through all that for a story that you purposely concocted?

Below are some accounts of Christ's postresurrection appearances: Matthew 28:9, Luke 24:33-49, John 20:10-23, John 21:1-14, Acts 1:4-9. What transpired at these meetings? What hope did Jesus give them? Why would it make no sense for these people to have made up this story?


Most of the world, however, has not seen the resurrected Jesus. Yet, we are asked to believe anyway. If someone were to ask you, Why do you believe in the resurrection of Christ, what would you answer?

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#27363 - 02/21/05 02:39 AM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: sweettrini]
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Some additional study resources for our online SS students:

Quarterly Online with live links to Bible, EGW and other notes:
http://www.ssnet.org (click "Current Lesson" to the left)

GoBible.org Lessons (a refreshing parallel study to the topics of the quarterly):
http://gobible.org/study/334.php
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#27364 - 02/21/05 02:51 AM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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Quote:

How convincing is the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus?




Got an interesting piece of email from that CoffeeHouse Theology guy with his "Seven Lies of Organized Religion" series. Let me share this (just the parts pertinent to the question above) with the online "class" ...

In the religious bureaucracy of the ancient world, women were basically property. If she burned his toast, he could divorce her and send her away destitute. If she saw a crime in progress and reported it to the police, her testimony in court would be thrown out--simply because she was female. Women weren't considered smart enough to recount what really happened.

Isn't that special?

Get this. Jesus gets crucified. His body is taken down and put in a guarded tomb.

Three days later, some of his female friends come to the tomb, the door is wide open, and nobody's inside. They're shocked. But they're even more shocked when Jesus shows up. He talks to them. These women are the first people to see this astonishing event and report it. The men don't believe it until they see for themselves.

Well here's the kicker: Had somebody invented this resurrection story out of thin air, they would *never* have said that women found the empty tomb--because women in that culture were considered inferior and unreliable anyway.

So what this demonstrates is:

1) It's highly unlikely this story is made up, because no person who invents such a hoax would ever put women in this role. The fact that women are the first witnesses to this event strongly suggests that Jesus DID actually rise from the dead. A conclusion that has staggering implications ...
...
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--Perry Marshall, The Seven Great Lies of Organized Religion, part 4, emphasis added.
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#27365 - 02/21/05 03:25 AM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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Yep..glad you posted that..

Some really freaked out when Lazarus was raised.
Especially the Saducees.

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#27366 - 02/22/05 03:43 AM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: sweettrini]
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Quote:

(from Sunday's lesson)
"What, however, is your long-term hope, and how is that linked to the resurrection of Jesus?"




Obviously my long-term hope is to see Jesus come again, or if not, then to be in the first resurrection and be taken with Him to be with Him for all eternity. It is linked to His resurrection because His own proves He is victorious over death and the grave forever. It cannot take Him nor claim Him, and thus if He so wills, it cannot take nor claim anyone who believes in Him. Clearly He does so will, for He has spoken as much, and promised whosoever lives and believes in Him shall not die. I frankly don't know how that works, and I freely admit having doubts because neither Jesus nor anyone else He raised had been reduced to complete dust, although Lazarus' corpse already stank, indicating decay. But I don't have to know how it works to have faith that He can do it. I just wish my faith was stronger.
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#27367 - 02/22/05 03:56 AM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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Quote:

(from Monday's lesson):
Why would it make no sense for these people to have made up this story?




That's a good question. Can anyone help me with this one? It actually seems logical that they WOULD make up such a story. (I'm not saying they did, just saying it seems logical to me that this kind of invention would happen in this context, and I can see how non-Christians might think that.)

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Most of the world, however, has not seen the resurrected Jesus. Yet, we are asked to believe anyway. If someone were to ask you, Why do you believe in the resurrection of Christ, what would you answer?




Again, this is an area in which I need help and need to increase my knowledge. My faith is extremely subjective and that doesn't help anyone else but myself. I believe in Christ because I had a subjective experience that told me He was the true and living God when I was 16. But I honestly would not know what to say to someone if they asked me why I believe in His resurrection. (Especially not someone who thought it was all superstitious stories and nonsense. When I encounter people like that I get all choked up and hurt and I cannot talk with them about things.)
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#27368 - 02/23/05 04:18 AM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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TUESDAY February 22

Witnesses From the Grave

"And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many" (Matt. 27:52, 53).

At the moment Christ died, Matthew records three events: (1) The veil in the temple was torn (Matt. 27:51), (2) the earth quaked and rocks split (vs. 51), (3) and graves were opened (vs. 52). It was, however, only after Jesus Himself had been resurrected early on the first day of the week that "many bodies of the saints which slept arose" (vss. 52, 53).

Why was it only after Christ's resurrection, and not before, that these saints rose?

How appropriate that only after Jesus was resurrected would some of these saints be resurrected, as well: His resurrection was the guarantee of theirs (and ours). Through this act, the Lord has given the world (not to mention those who saw these people) even more reasons to believe in the power of His resurrection.

What did Matthew say that these resurrected saints did after they arose?

Outside of Matthew's few verses, Scripture says nothing else explicitly about these saints. Who were they? What happened to them? What impact should they have made on those who saw them? (Remember what Jesus said in Luke 16:30, 31?) Ellen White writes that these were martyrs who had given their lives for the Lord and that they had been "raised to everlasting life" (unlike those whom Jesus had raised from the dead earlier, who were still subject to death) and that when He ascended to heaven He took them with Him: "They ascended with Him as trophies of His victory over death and the grave. These, said Christ, are no longer the captives of Satan; I have redeemed them. I have brought them from the grave as the first fruits of My power, to be with Me where I am, nevermore to see death or experience sorrow."—Ellen G. White, The Desire of Ages, p. 786.

"Nevermore to see death or experience sorrow." Dwell on what that means. Using your imagination (you're going to need it), write a paragraph on what life will be like without death or sorrow. (See Rev. 21:1-5 for some hints.)
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#27369 - 02/23/05 04:24 AM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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WEDNESDAY February 23

Paul and the Resurrection of Jesus

Though the apostle Paul speaks very little about the life of Christ, the death and resurrection of Jesus are constant themes in Paul's letters. These events are for him the foundation of the whole Christian hope.

Read 1 Corinthians 15:3-8 and then answer these questions:

  • What did Paul consider of first importance?  






  • Paul said that both Christ's death and resurrection were "according
    to the Scriptures?'
    See also Acts 17:2, 3. Why is that so important? Who else tied these specific events to the Scriptures? See Luke 24:25-27.






  • In verses 5-7 Paul spends a lot of time on one subject. What is it, and why do you think he emphasizes it so much?







In the rest of 1 Corinthians 15 Paul stresses one point: Our hope of the resurrection from the dead rests on Christ's resurrection from the dead. As humans, we have no natural immortality (1 Tim. 6:15, 16). Death is an unconscious sleep (John 11:11, 1 Thess. 4:13), not some ascent or descent into another existence. The Lord is the Lord of life; death, therefore, is the enemy (1 Cor 15:26), against which we, as humans, have, on our own, no hope of defeating. In the end, if death is not conquered, all for which we have lived ends in the grave. Paul says that without the resurrection, our faith is in "vain" (1 Cor 15:17), from a Greek word that means "useless" or "of no purpose?'

On the other hand, Christ was raised from death, He conquered death, and we can by faith become partakers of that same victory. He paid the penalty for our sin-which is death itself. Because that penalty has been paid, we don't have to face it ourselves; instead, as He was raised, we will be raised, too, and given the eternal life that was lost through sin but regained for us through Jesus. All we face now is a temporary sleep; the final punishment, the eternal punishment that sin already brings, has been taken care of for us at the Cross. The redeemed, either awake or asleep, are simply waiting for the consummation of what Christ has done for them. Our resurrection to eternal life is that final consummation.

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#27370 - 02/23/05 08:25 PM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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Quote:

Quote:

(from Monday's lesson):
Why would it make no sense for these people to have made up this story?




That's a good question. Can anyone help me with this one? It actually seems logical that they WOULD make up such a story. (I'm not saying they did, just saying it seems logical to me that this kind of invention would happen in this context, and I can see how non-Christians might think that.)




Go step by step...

He is dead..and the disciples are locked up for fear of the Jews...and He is dead...

now start a story about He is alive..
just think of the scrutiny and investigation by the Jewish clergy...the flak..the harassment, ridicule..
11 guys making up a story..
And Mary wondering..where is my tortured Son??

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#27371 - 02/24/05 12:14 AM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: sweettrini]
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Jb,

More, more, I need more ...
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#27372 - 02/24/05 04:44 PM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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I have more..

Keep Jesus dead..

The Romans had the proof if the tomb was still sealed.
Now imagine a scenario where the disciples stole the body away...their own fabrication not the Jewish clergy...
They would have been hunted down by the clergy and the Romans..because the clergy would not have made the deal with Pilate...because it was the fabrication of the disciples..

Then there is the failed credibility of 4 gospel authors and their families..

This would have been a crash and burn from the outset...
we would have had just another phoney nutcase martyr.

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#27373 - 02/24/05 05:32 PM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: sweettrini]
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Can you elaborate a bit? Your statements read like you assume I know what you're talking about. I don't. Perhaps I don't know the politics or social structure of that time well enough, but I don't understand the things you are saying; they just read like assertions to me. Describe how and why those things are the case, please? I'm not trying to be a thorn, I just don't really follow you.
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#27374 - 02/24/05 08:52 PM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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If the resurrection story is made up....
we need to assume Jesus is dead and speculate on various scenarios.

1. He is still in the tomb and the Romans had it sealed...so

Spread the resurrection story and the Jewish clergy and Romans say...
"what a joke! we have the body.."

2. The disciples took the body

We should have a couple of dead Roman solders around and a homicide investigation convened..whereas the disciples and their families are in deep excrement.
They are tortured until one confesses..."yeah we killed the guards and took the body and hid it or burned it and said there was a resurrection"

Uh..something is missing here..


The Jewish clergy are ready for the 3rd day and miss supervising the whole thing??
With a great opportunity to make a joke out of the whole thing??

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#27375 - 02/25/05 01:51 AM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: sweettrini]
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Quote:

If someone were to ask you, Why do you believe in the resurrection of Christ, what would you answer?




It makes sense.

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#27376 - 02/25/05 02:18 AM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: sweettrini]
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I do know the Roman soldiers would have had their hides taken if they'd allowed anyone to steal that body ... that much I do know.
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#27377 - 02/25/05 02:24 AM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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THURSDAY February 24

Resurrection, Now and Then

Read John 5:24, 25. Jesus seems to be talking about two types of eternal life here. What are they, and how are they tied together?






The Bible talks about a resurrection that believers can experience even prior to death. The one who believes in Jesus now has passed from death to life. What is a passage from death to life other than a resurrection? In other words, those who believe in Him go through a radical change, not just when they are brought from the grave, but they go through a change now, a born-again experience in which Christ becomes the center and focus of their life. It's such a radical life-changing experience that Jesus Himself links it with something as radical as the dead being raised to life at the end of time.

Read Romans 6:4-6. What is Paul saying here that parallels Christ's words in John 5:24, 25? Why does Paul use the imagery of Christ's resurrection?






For Paul, the death and resurrection of Jesus weren't just historical events, such as the death of Mary, Queen of Scots, is to us. Instead, they are living symbols of what we, ourselves, as followers of Christ, must experience in our own lives now.

Paul is saying that we, in a sense, must spiritually go through what Christ did: a death, not in a literal sense, but a death to self, a death to sin, a death to living for the flesh. But not only that, the same power that brought Jesus from the grave can bring us into "newness of life," a life where we are no longer under the dominion of sin and of the flesh. This is a crucial, inseparable part of the whole Christian experience.

If someone were to ask you, "Have you gone through what Jesus and Paul both talked about in the above verses?" what would you answer? If your answer were Yes, and you were then asked "What was that experience like?" what would you say? Also, is what Paul talked about a one-time experience, or is it something that must go on continually? Explain your reply.


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#27378 - 02/25/05 02:29 AM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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FRIDAY February 25

Further Study:

"During these days that Christ spent with His disciples, they gained a new experience. As they heard their beloved Master explaining the Scriptures in the light of all that had happened, their faith in Him was fully established. They reached the place where they could say, 'I know whom I have believed.' 2 Timothy 1:12. They began to realize the nature and extent of their work, to see that they were to proclaim to the world the truths entrusted to them. The events of Christ's life, His death and resurrection, the prophecies pointing to these events, the mysteries of the plan of salvation, the power of Jesus for the remission of sins-to all these things they had been witnesses, and they were to make them known to the world. They were to proclaim the gospel of peace and salvation through repentance and the power of the Saviour."—Ellen G. White, The Acts of the Apostles, p. 27.

"The miracle which Christ was about to perform, in raising Lazarus from the dead, would represent the resurrection of all the righteous dead. By His word and His works He declared Himself the Author of the resurrection. He who Himself was soon to die upon the cross stood with the keys of death, a conqueror of the grave, and asserted His right and power to give eternal life."—Ellen G. White, The Desire of Ages, p. 530.

Discussion Questions:

(1) Why didn't Jesus reveal Himself immediately to Cleopas and his friend as they walked mournfully to their home in Emmaus? Why did He first give them such a detailed study from the Scriptures concerning His death, burial, and resurrection? Luke 24:13-32.

(2) Consider what a difference it made in the lives of the apostles that they served a risen Savior and not just a martyr whose memory they could revere. What difference does it make to you personally that you serve a risen Savior and are not merely honoring a deceased hero of ancient fame?

(3) How do you understand the idea that those who believe in Jesus have eternal life now? What does that mean to you? How would you explain it, for example, at the funeral of a good Christian?
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#27379 - 02/25/05 05:41 AM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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After God addresses the anxiety involving blameshifting..he lets the person live in newness of life..

I am chewing on what Adam did after the fall and during the hiding from God episode..

He blameshifted...
I am tuning into this and getting some insights about God.

I remember a guy blameshifting my way when I was 17..just came to mind as I was meditating on this and getting different perspective on salvation plan..

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#27380 - 02/25/05 01:05 PM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: sweettrini]
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Jimbob, don't you find it a more meaningful meditation, though, to contemplate when you yourself have blameshifted in the light of these realizations? I know I do. It is far more meaningful for me to relate to the concepts from what I have done than from what I have observed others to have done. The latter tends to lead to what I call "backwards Christianity" -- for example, the syndrome of going around demanding agape from others as opposed to demonstrating it to others. (But maybe that's just me.)
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#27381 - 02/25/05 04:34 PM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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Because of the Holy Spirit and Rom 2:1..that approach never escapes me...
Here, tune into this a second..

I was just thinking of this..this morning..

The issue is tonal inflection and attitude that is associate with words...this is a principle of interpretation..

I brought this up in SS last sabbath..

How would you like to be a director and try to capture the look of Jesus ...with your main character...when Peter betrayed him..??
Everyone knew what challenge that was.


Now...think of the various ways ..we could put tones on Adam's words when he blame shifted...

Think of God talking to him and how Adam would have sounded...
Probably the same challenge to say his lines correctly..

Adam was sinless and had a tremendous relationship with God..
I could see him very sensitive and bawling his eyes out when he was answering God and mentioning about the woman that God made..

Think of the difference between a very sensitve good young lad..and how a hardened delinquent kid responds to crime..

I was taught that EGW mentions that Adam had tremendous grief when the first leaf fell off a tree due to sin.


I can understand how God would feel for Adam and tell him that there was an answer for his terrible guilt and shame for what he was experiencing...that he would absorb the guilt and anguish...just believe and let it be transfered so that he(Adam ) could cope...this was taught with the plan of salvation and the killing of the first lamb or whatever to make the skin coverings.
Remember John 10:10..

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#27382 - 02/25/05 05:09 PM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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Why did He first give them such a detailed study from the Scriptures concerning His death, burial, and resurrection?




Because He was a competent teacher who knew of the shortcomings of NFDMTTS!!
Sheesh!!!

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#27383 - 02/25/05 07:03 PM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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How would you explain it, for example, at the funeral of a good Christian?




Different than at a funeral of a bad Christian?

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#27384 - 02/25/05 07:07 PM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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(2) Consider what a difference it made in the lives of the apostles that they served a risen Savior and not just a martyr whose memory they could revere. What difference does it make to you personally that you serve a risen Savior and are not merely honoring a deceased hero of ancient fame?






HEB 2
"15": And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

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#27385 - 02/25/05 08:26 PM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: sweettrini]
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How does the fear of death make us subject to bondage "all our lifetime"?
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#27386 - 02/25/05 11:17 PM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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Think of Shadrach,Meshach and what's his name..verses Nebuchadnezzer

Think of intimidation and extortion..
also think of the lifestyle slavery of having no future past 3 score and 10 or less...
hedonism..desparation...whatever

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#27387 - 02/26/05 01:32 AM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: sweettrini]
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It's the latter that I associate most with that passage.

I think you're conflating Nebuchadnezzar with Belshazzar ... LOL ...
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#27388 - 02/26/05 01:43 AM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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They began to realize the nature and extent of their work, to see that they were to proclaim to the world the truths entrusted to them. ... They were to proclaim the gospel of peace and salvation through repentance and the power of the Saviour.




This fits in with my conviction that our purpose here in this world is the same as that owned to by Christ Jesus, before Pilate, as the cause for which He came into this world: to bear witness to the Truth. Just as everyone who is of the truth shall hear His voice, so shall they hear His voice through us: "We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God." -- 2 Corinthians 5:20.
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#27389 - 02/26/05 02:29 AM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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[W]e, in a sense, must spiritually go through what Christ did: a death, not in a literal sense, but a death to self, a death to sin, a death to living for the flesh. But not only that, the same power that brought Jesus from the grave can bring us into "newness of life," a life where we are no longer under the dominion of sin and of the flesh. This is a crucial, inseparable part of the whole Christian experience.




Amen - no argument there...

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If someone were to ask you, "Have you gone through what Jesus and Paul both talked about in the above verses?" what would you answer? If your answer were Yes, and you were then asked "What was that experience like?" what would you say? Also, is what Paul talked about a one-time experience, or is it something that must go on continually? Explain your reply.




I would have to say it is something I have definitely experienced. However, that experience did not last, and right now more than anything else I just feel dead inside. Burnt out, tired, disconnected -- not jaded or negative, just all physical effects of stress on the brain. Apathy not as an attitude but as the cumulative effect of a constant drain upon my energy, a constant fatigue.

I'm already dead -- now I need the resurrection part ...
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#27390 - 02/26/05 05:50 AM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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It's the latter that I associate most with that passage.

I think you're conflating Nebuchadnezzar with Belshazzar ... LOL ...




Daniel 3??

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#27391 - 02/26/05 05:52 AM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: sweettrini]
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THE CONTROVERSY..."How should we then live"
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John 10
"10": The thief (Satan and his religious clergy) cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Matt 11
"28": Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

"29": Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
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Right after Jesus said this ...the narrative is related to religious controversy..(Matt 12)
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Most of modern religion offers the human a certain kind of rest..a substitute rest, a lazy boy, kick back, low effort..assent to the truth, exclusive, snob, NIMBY, bigoted rest. It really is a life robbing stress on the soul.

When God , grace, and gospel are improperly taught..rest is lost.

God offers His rest which involves life, law, and a lie.

Satan lied..God addresses the lie with death
Satan hates the law which infringes on his freedom...God's law is a law of liberty.
Rebellion results in blameshifting and shirking responsibility/accountability..
God absorbed the off loading and maximizes life.

Some isolate the view of atonement to the moral influence sector
Some isolate the view to the forensic sector...

God reveals a multifaceted solution...to the heart of the problem.

After a good rest one feels
REVIVED!

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#27392 - 02/26/05 01:25 PM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: sweettrini]
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NIMBY? Another acronym? What's "NIMBY"?
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#27393 - 02/26/05 03:51 PM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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not in my back yard.

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#27394 - 02/26/05 05:39 PM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: sweettrini]
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#27395 - 02/26/05 10:41 PM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: sweettrini]
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Sabbath School class went well in spite of getting 10 more minutes taken from us...we really got scripture exposure,.. made a bunch of points and there was good participation

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