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#276436 - 09/19/09 07:34 PM 1844 and the Sanctuary Message
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has anyone studied out why God had a "time-line" concerning the judgment?

in the last couple of days i became curious as to why that is so.

this thread is not for questioning this particular doctrine, but an attempt to understand the "why".

why didnt God just judge us as we lived and died? we read that probation ends for some before their death. how is that so if their name hasnt come up in the "judgment" yet?

would anyone like to study this out? and how would we?
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2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Joh 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

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#276704 - 09/20/09 10:03 AM Re: 1844 and the Sanctuary Message [Re: teresaq(sda)]
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Quote:


this thread is not for questioning this particular doctrine, but an attempt to understand the "why".

why didnt God just judge us as we lived and died?


To me, God is a God of order. Logic tells me judgment should begin with the first one who died - Abel, and so on down the line. I'm not a lawyer or a judge, but I dare say that court cases are tried according to what's in the docket.
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we read that probation ends for some before their death. how is that so if their name hasnt come up in the "judgment" yet?

would anyone like to study this out? and how would we?


Where do you find that someone's probation closes before they die? The only time that I can see this happening is when our High Priest ceases His work of intercessation and probation closes for everyone just before the Second Coming.

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#284906 - 10/16/09 01:44 PM Re: 1844 and the Sanctuary Message [Re: Gerry Cabalo]
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First of all, there is the topic of pressent truth. We are true to the best of the knowlege we have at the time and if needed we can form clearer details with deeper applications.

God also works where people are; From Bible days Satan and the demons have learned better ways of tempting and deceving. They are constantly improving. Meanwhile our spirituality is becoming naturally weaker as we are farther and farther away from Eden. The People in the Bible were naturally more spiritual than we are due to the about 2,000 years from the last Biblical book. We are 2,000 years worst off than Peter, John, Paul, Herod, Pilate, Nero and Judas. Satan and the demons are 2,000 years better at deception than they were with these people.

I am not a stickler to the exact day of the start, but the 2300 evening-morning prophecy points us to looking to the mid 1800s for God to do something for us. In the late 1830s Robinson explored the Middle East, which opened the door to archaeology and the re-discovery of the ancient world. Also around the same time the Rosetta stone was translated and ancient languages began to open up. Learning about the ancient world and ancient languages has been able to help us to study, or INVESTIGATE the Bible such as never before. People like Luther, Usher, Newton, Wesley etc. would love to live in our day. They would find the world that started in the mid-1800s an intelectual and spiritual Disneyland. Not to mention how technology changed in this time. Before we could either walk or ride an animal, we could either read or be read to. Today we can listen to the Bible on CD while driving and doing the dishes and working out in the garden, and watch it on DVD on our TV. Can you picture what Tyndal would think if he could envision his plowboy listening to the Bible while plowing the field?

This increased knowlege of the Bible leads to increased knowlege of the God of the Bible, and by beholding we become changed. We are living in an exciting time that we can point to the mid-1800s as being it's birth. God has given us a gift to help counter Satan's increased abilitys and our decreased sensibilities by allowing us to live in a time of greater Bible knowlege.

Satan has attacked this growth. Churches have fallen into either the non-believing Modernists / preterists who look at the evidence but does not see an active God, or the Fundamentalists / dispensationalists who see an active God but who has the Bible in such a ridged box and so focused on defending tradition that they are too afraid to look at the evidence. Too many churhes have FALLEN into these two camps since the mid 1800s, as well as making people in general more dull, less interested in the world that lies beyond where their fingertips end. I do not find Jay Leno's "Jaywalking" to be funny, but very sad as to how self absorbed we have become and how the rest of the world has left our consciousness, and part of that world we have left includes the Bible.

Can you picture Tyndal waking up today, and the excitement he'd have to read John Bright's "A History of Israel" Bowman's "Hebrew Thought compaired to Greek" and to see the Bible on DVD and listening to it on the CD player, yet the dissapointment at the increased ignorance of the world in general, much less Biblical ignorance.

We may learn more about Daniel 8:14. Now studies have shown that 1844 was something like a sabatical year or year of jublee, and that there may be betters studies with looking at the sabatical years to study 1844 (Dr. Waterman from Andrews has done fantastic study, I am aware of the study but have not really learned it, I'd love to learn more about his study and if anyone here is familiar with his work please post here) but 1844 is a special year in the Biblical cycles that fall in the time frame of the birth of these changes.

God's time line shows that we needed it to counter our decreased sensabilities and spirituality and Satan's increased selfishness and deception abilities, and the 2300 evening-morning prophecy as understood pointed people to the fact that God was doing something at that time.


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#284911 - 10/16/09 01:57 PM Re: 1844 and the Sanctuary Message [Re: Kevin H]
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Originally Posted By: Kevin H

I am not a stickler to the exact day of the start, but the 2300 evening-morning prophecy points us to looking to the mid 1800s for God to do something for us. ..... the 2300 evening-morning prophecy as understood pointed people to the fact that God was doing something at that time.



What is that "something" that God is doing for us?

Can you-- and we-- be more specific? What happened? What's happening now that's related to the 2300 evening-morning prophecy?

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#284933 - 10/16/09 03:01 PM Re: 1844 and the Sanctuary Message [Re: John317]
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I'm sorry I was not clear; On Satan's side Satan was offering evolution and athism and getting us too busy to care about the world around us much less the Bible. On God's side it was on earth the ability to investigate the pages of scripture at a level beyond Luther's and Wesley and Tyndal's wildest dreams, the Bible coming alive such as never before! And for the angels and the unfallen worlds it is a review as to what Jesus did in the lives of those who accepted him (or where professed followers did not accept him and what happened to them) which helps the unfallen understand their own salvation better.

There is investigation on heaven and earth. Investigating how God worked in history as the Bible comes alive, and the unfallen investigating how God was able to work or not work in professed believers (which leads to the judgment on the beast)

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