#29742 - 03/10/05 04:34 AM
Re: Ch. 8 "The Passover Visit"
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if we understand this, why couldn't we be participants in the healing process just like Jesus and a few others were? Do we have to be virus-free, first?
I think it's up to God's discretion when He chooses to use us as an instrument of such a thing. There are clues in James 5 about how to proceed for healing, and this plus Jesus' model of directly forgiving sin in conjunction with healing are clues here to me that there is something intrinsically healing in the forgiveness of sin and the exercise of faith in Jesus.
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Here's something else that I don't understand: Do all of us have evil spirits inside of us, too? Are these evil spirits causing diseases in us? I know this much, they're influencing certain humans to do horrific acts of violence.
I don't think disease is caused by the direct agency of evil spirits. I think evil spirits exist and can create deplorable conditions of mind, body and spirit, but biological disease and bio-chemical imbalance exist as well, and are the results of living in a fallen world, in an operating system that the virus has affected and tainted. When Reality and our System gets Rebooted, these will be gone -- the virus will be deleted from the System and disease and pain and suffering and death will be no more. Evil will be no more. It is a virus. It is not a life form. It is anti-life.
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#29743 - 03/10/05 03:59 PM
Re: Ch. 8 "The Passover Visit"
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As one seeking for wisdom, He questioned these teachers in regard to the prophecies, and to events then taking place that pointed to the advent of the Messiah.
Jesus presented Himself as one thirsting for a knowledge of God. His questions were suggestive of deep truths which had long been obscured, yet which were vital to the salvation of souls. While showing how narrow and superficial was the wisdom of the wise men, every question put before them a divine lesson, and placed truth in a new aspect. The rabbis spoke of the wonderful elevation which the Messiah's coming would bring to the Jewish nation; but Jesus presented the prophecy of Isaiah, and asked them the meaning of those scriptures that point to the suffering and death of the Lamb of God.
The doctors turned upon Him with questions, and they were amazed at His answers. With the humility of a child He repeated the words of Scripture, giving them a depth of meaning that the wise men had not conceived of. If followed, the lines of truth He pointed out would have worked a reformation in the religion of the day. A deep interest in spiritual things would have been awakened; and when Jesus began His ministry, many would have been prepared to receive Him.
I wonder how often it is today that if we would but listen to the questioners and questions in our midst we might be awakened to a great revival and reformation. I have to admit sometimes I have no patience with reinventing the wheel or going over & over the same ground. But what if that's the ground I most need to examine again for the renewing of my soul and mind? For the reformation of the church and revival of primitive godliness?
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#29744 - 03/11/05 09:43 AM
Re: Ch. 8 "The Passover Visit"
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It may come as an unpleasant surprise to some of us how little today's religion compares with true religion, the religion of total selflessness demonstrated by Jesus, even as a boy. I think this is one of the most important principles of primitive godliness.
What do church services accomplish these days? Have they become plays with actors just like the Temple services in Jesus' day? What good does singing the same songs or going over the same SS lesson, or sitting in the same pew do, year after year after year after year? Not that I'm being critical or complaining. Just wondering. I have the power to change it, in my little corner, if I could just wake up and do it.
I also think we need to get beyond mysticism and magic and face the reality that God and Jesus and the angels are all extraterrestrials who came to this world and colonized it with life they made on location. They didn't travel across space on clouds, either. I strongly belive that the First Angel's Message is somehow connected to this idea. This is the concept that has energized me and re-awakened me to spiritual pursuits.
Human concepts of "heaven", the New Jerusalem, that is, are so lame. You've seen the paintings. Reality check: The NJ is a more or less a cube, 1600 miles in 3 dimensions. That's 2/3 the volume of Earth's moon. I did the math.
Question:
If something travels across space, from distant stars or galaxies, what is it called?
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A starship or spacecraft.
NJ is also a city.
Isn't NJ a starship city?
I had the strangest dream around Christmas time. I dreamed that I loved everyone on the entire planet, even terrorists and other murderers. Unfortunately, it lasted for only 2 seconds. It was the best I could do.
BTW, Nicodema, in my lost email to you I also mentioned the virus of evil corrupting the hard drives of our minds. Evil is like a weird Frankensteinian combination of biological virus and computer virus, affecting both our bodies and our minds.
My writing style is usually a simple narrative in the active voice with quotes to liven things up:
Early Conflicts
As Yeh-shuah grew older, he carefully examined the religious practices of the day, comparing them with the Ancient Writings. “The Faris-Ahyos have rules and regulations for everything,” he thought, “down to the smallest details of life, but their ceremonies have no value, and they can find no peace in their services. If only they could know the freedom of Spirit that comes by serving Elo-heem in truth.” Ignoring their rituals and traditions, he acted independently, using only the Ancient Writings as his guide.
“This one’s going to be easy to straighten out,” the local Faris-Ahyos all thought when they first encountered Yeh-shuah. “He’s such a gentle, unobtrusive boy.” When they found themselves unable to change his thinking, they ordered, “You must follow the traditions of the elders!” His response was always, “Where are your traditions found in the Ancient Writings?”
Yeh-shuah seemed to know the Ancient Writings from beginning to end, and the Faris-Ahyos were ashamed to be instructed by a child. “We’re the teachers,” they fumed, “and you’re the student!” They were angry because they knew their traditions did not come from the Ancient Writings, angry that Yeh-shuah was far ahead of them in spiritual understanding, and angry that he did not obey their orders. They went to Yosafe and Maria to complain.
“He is a good boy,” Yosafe said as he threw his hands into the air, “but he does only what he thinks is right according to the Ancient Writings. It is useless to try to force him to do anything against his principles.”
Later, Yeh-shuah’s brothers told him, “You are so stubborn! Everything that you do is according to the Sacred Writings, yet you refuse to follow the sacred traditions!” They sided with the religious teachers. “The traditions must be obeyed as if they came from Elo-heem,” they said. “So why do you keep saying, ‘It is written… It is written… It is written…’ every time we tell you to follow the traditions? Do you think you are our teacher?”
Still, Yeh-shuah continued to ignore the traditions of men and obeyed the laws of Elo-heem. “The Faris-Ahyos have surrounded their religion with a high fence of exclusion,” he thought. The Faris-Ahyos religion was self-centered and unforgiving, making them far from being like Elo-heem. “They pay their tithes down to the smallest fraction, yet they do not know Elo-heem.” Stung by his refusal to cooperate, the Faris-Ahyos tried to force him to obey their regulations by going to his parents again.
Refusing again to comply with the Faris-Ahyos' demands, Yeh-shuah continued to help everyone within his power to help, demonstrating an everyday religion of love and kindness and unselfishness. He had little money to give, but often gave up his own food to someone more needy than himself, or offered a cup of cool water to the thirsty. When his Faris-Ahyos-trained brothers were mean to some poor, disabled, homeless person, Yeh-shuah later found that person and offered words of encouragement.
Because Yeh-shuah hated evil, he met much opposition.
“There goes that goody-goody Yeh-shuah!” someone would sneer as he walked by. “Why don’t you just get mad and fight like a real man, you little coward!”
“Hey, Yeh-shuah, who’s your daddy? someone else taunted. “Everyone knows Yosafe isn’t your real father, because you’re the son of a slut! Haw, Haw, Haw!”
“That Yeh-shuah is so stupid, he’ll do anything if he thinks he’s helping someone,” another said. “He’ll even do your work for you if you run off and play, just so he can be a do-gooder.”
Yeh-shuah never got angry when taken advantage of, though, and never complained or retaliated when insulted. “Why do you allow yourself to be treated so badly,” many asked, “even from your own brothers?”
Yeh-shuah answered them from the Ancient Writings, “If you remember my law and keep my commandments, you will have a long, peaceful life, and you will find favor with Elo-heem and man.”
“Ever since we took him to the Temple,” Maria said one day, “he’s been a different boy. Every chance he gets, he runs off into the fields or valleys or mountainsides or forests to meditate. Sometimes he even takes off before sunrise. He always comes back to do his fair share of work, and more, though.”
Maria saw the mistreatment Yeh-shuah received at the hands of the unkind, and it always caused her pain. Even she got into trouble, sometimes, trying to protect or defend him, though she usually encouraged him to follow the traditions of the Faris-Ahyos.
Yeh-shuah was destined to be a healer of body and spirit, yet, he walked alone. Even as a boy, he alone carried the responsibility of saving the human race. If he failed to change the course of history, his mission on earth would end in failure. Unless humanity changed its direction, all would be lost. To accomplish this, he did not seek high positions or assume any titles, but with superhuman intensity of purpose, he aimed to bring Light back into a Dark World. GT © 1985
Anyway, this is my typical style. I actually wrote a little book back in '85 using DA as my main source, kind of like the guy at the beginning of this forum.
What do you want to write about, Nicodema?
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#29745 - 03/11/05 02:08 PM
Re: Ch. 8 "The Passover Visit"
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I also think we need to get beyond mysticism and magic and face the reality that God and Jesus and the angels are all extraterrestrials who came to this world and colonized it with life they made on location. They didn't travel across space on clouds, either. I strongly belive that the First Angel's Message is somehow connected to this idea. This is the concept that has energized me and re-awakened me to spiritual pursuits.
Human concepts of "heaven", the New Jerusalem, that is, are so lame. You've seen the paintings. Reality check: The NJ is a more or less a cube, 1600 miles in 3 dimensions. That's 2/3 the volume of Earth's moon. I did the math.
Question:
If something travels across space, from distant stars or galaxies, what is it called?
Answer:
A starship or spacecraft.
NJ is also a city.
Isn't NJ a starship city?
Now, if I ever had any doubts, which I did not, I know for certain: you are the one. You confirmed the "vision" I have twice had about the writing project because you've outlined it in a nutshell here. My tentative (in my head) working title for it is "The Seeding". I know it's not a new idea nor a completely original one -- others have hinted at or communicated similar notions before -- but it came to me most strongly watching the Final Events of Bible Prophecy DVD -- don't ask me why -- and both occasions it was so clear to me it was like having a vision even though I was not actually "in vision" or anything.
You've basically confirmed the major points of the story right here above. I think through working this into a full length novel and possibly a film script we can bring the reality of the Second Coming home to generations of science fiction fans and mystic types of all sorts, as well as the truth about the virus of sin, etc. There are other ideas I'd like to weave in as characters or character studies, but we can hash all that out when we start the work together.
What say you, are you game?
p.s. about the cube, who's to say it's not actually a sphere? or that the measures are taken at their extremities, say, the tallest part in the center, widest part in the middle, etc. so it might be ovoid? the fire that comes down, who's to say it's not the fire of the heat of the ship landing on terra? or lifting up therefrom to avoid being attacked by the crazed outside of it?
I had a dream right before I came to know the Lord for the first time, will have to tell about it sometime ... it involved signs of "the end" and a spaceship to take those who were ready, etc. ... I was 15 ... knew nothing about any of this stuff at the time ...
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#29746 - 03/11/05 02:26 PM
Re: Ch. 8 "The Passover Visit"
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"aliensanctuary", how are you in general with characterisation? This is my weak point. I am in general told I am a good writer, but my forté is essay and editorial style writing, not fiction, because I have a hard time making my characters "round" and true and tend to rely too much on dialogue to carry the story. Those are my weak points: weak on characterisation, too much dependence on dialogue.
This is because I essentially live in a "virtual" existence myself and have done so for many years (unawares) -- meaning I tend to inhabit the space in my mind more readily than that of the real 3-D world around me, and when I do view the 3-D world I often cannot see the trees for the forest. (No that isn't a typo.) I see the larger picture but miss the detail too much.
Anyway enough about my weaknesses. My strengths are, obviously, good dialogue, rich conceptualizations, a keen mind for coming up with key scenes in the story, key points to keep the flow going. What I need help with is some of the concretization and fleshing out. To use your example above, I could write the source material and you could write the embellishment, or we could just work back and forth till we develop a style and flow comfortable to us both. I'd rather have it more open ended than pinned down, at least at first, till we see what works best for us both.
And of course any profits realized, if it got to that point, would be a straight 50-50 split. I haven't thought that far ahead though, really, but that's what seems right to me. All I know is I saw this thing, I felt I should write it, I put it before the Lord, felt a strong impression He would send someone, and the next day, there you were. Doesn't sound like coincidence to me at all. Especially considering I never dreamed you would outline the major key points of the project itself exactly as I'd perceived them.
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#29747 - 03/11/05 10:30 PM
Re: Ch. 8 "The Passover Visit"
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If Joseph and Mary had stayed their minds upon God by meditation and prayer, they would have realized the sacredness of their trust, and would not have lost sight of Jesus. By one day's neglect they lost the Saviour; but it cost them three days of anxious search to find Him. So with us; by idle talk, evilspeaking, or neglect of prayer, we may in one day lose the Saviour's presence, and it may take many days of sorrowful search to find Him, and regain the peace that we have lost.
In our association with one another, we should take heed lest we forget Jesus, and pass along unmindful that He is not with us. When we become absorbed in worldly things so that we have no thought for Him in whom our hope of eternal life is centered, we separate ourselves from Jesus and from the heavenly angels. These holy beings cannot remain where the Saviour's presence is not desired, and His absence is not marked. This is why discouragement so often exists among the professed followers of Christ.
I second Sid's comments on this passage and would also like to add concerning the part about idle speech. One of the most discouraging things for me is the fact that during our time in the homeless ministry while we are preparing sandwiches for them and driving up to the city to give out the lunches, etc. all the talk that goes on (or most of it, a good 85-90% of it) is totally "idle" chit-chat. Last time two of the men went on for at least half an hour alone on some details about electrical wiring or somesuch. The guy who drives the van never stops complaining about other drivers on the road. It drives me bonkers. Can't we talk about spiritual things? Can't we at least have some prayer time? It's like we're doing this one good deed but we're not really inviting Christ to be the center of it or even acknowledging Him at all in it. It really bothers me deeply. I find it very discouraging. 
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#29749 - 03/20/05 01:38 AM
Re: Ch. 8 "The Passover Visit"
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I had the strangest dream around Christmas time. I dreamed that I loved everyone on the entire planet, even terrorists and other murderers. Unfortunately, it lasted for only 2 seconds. It was the best I could do.
as I read this I can feel it strike a chord...this is what I long for... but like you, can only hold the dream for a few seconds at a time...
keep writing, I don't have the words to add much but I am getting a real blessing lurking here...
aldona
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