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#34164 - 04/03/05 04:27 AM 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary:
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There is a sanctuary in heaven, the true
tabernacle which the Lord set up and not man. In it Christ ministers on our behalf, making
available to believers the benefits of His atoning sacrifice offered once for all on the cross. He
was inaugurated as our great High Priest and began His intercessory ministry at the time of His
ascension. In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and
last phase of His atoning ministry. It is a work of investigative judgment which is part of the
ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the
Day of Atonement. In that typical service the sanctuary was cleansed with the blood of animal
sacrifices, but the heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus.
The investigative judgment reveals to heavenly intelligences who among the dead are asleep in
Christ and therefore, in Him, are deemed worthy to have part in the first resurrection. It also
makes manifest who among the living are abiding in Christ, keeping the commandments of God
and the faith of Jesus, and in Him, therefore, are ready for translation into His everlasting
kingdom. This judgment vindicates the justice of God in saving those who believe in Jesus. It
declares that those who have remained loyal to God shall receive the kingdom. The completion
of this ministry of Christ will mark the close of human probation before the Second Advent.
(Heb. 8:1-5; 4:14-16; 9:11-28; 10:19-22; 1:3; 2:16, 17; Dan. 7:9-27; 8:13, 14; 9:24-27; Num.
14:34; Eze. 4:6; Lev. 16; Rev. 14:6, 7; 20:12; 14:12; 22:12.)
24. The Second Coming of Christ: The second coming of Christ

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#34165 - 09/07/06 11:05 PM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: Halfstep Denise]
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At Stan's request I have shifted this from the SS Forum

Referring to the 2300 evening-mornings and the 70 sevens, the last note was

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The Book of Daniel has at least three recognizably different pieces

(1) The story of Daniel's times - the 3 Worthys, the Lion's Den, etc - clearly not prophetic

(2) The visions

(3) The discussion of those visions

The two questions and answers that we are looking at are in the Q&A section, not in the vision section.

As such, it is inappropriate to treat the Q&A as symbolic






/Bevin

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#144967 - 11/19/07 05:31 AM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: bevin]
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If the temple on Earth functioned as a symbolic way to remove evil thoughts and acts from one's life record, then the function of the Real Temple, somewhere out in space, must be the actual removal of these evil thoughts and acts from our life records.

If the temple on Earth functioned as a way to feed the butchers/cooks/priests and symbolically feed the LORD with blood, the the Real Temple in space must also function as a butchershop, a kitchen, and private dining area for the LORD to consume the sacrifices and offerings given to him by his servants.
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#205054 - 12/14/08 11:08 PM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: Aliensanctuary]
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Beginning to post a bit...

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Yes!In other words, what is really happening up there? What is actually going on in Heaven NOW (as far as atonement/reconciliation) that wasnt happening before Christ died? Or maybe there is no fifference. The S S lessons this quarter seem to say that after the Cross Christ went into the Most Holy area of the sanctuary in Heaven to continue the atonement work. Didnt people who died before Christ's death on the cross need this kind of Heavenly work as much as people do now? I see 4 different catagories of people: Before the cross, those who knew about the true God, and those who didnt; and after the cross those who knew and those who didnt.
I understand fairly well the pointing foreward to the Lamb of God that the Jewish sacrificial system portrayed; and that everyone is judged by how they choose between what they know to be right/good and wrong/bad; and that their salvation has nothing to do with how much they know about the true God, because Christ's death can give the pagan eternal life as well as the most knowledgable Adventist Christian.
Please dont tell me that part of what Christ is doing is pleading our case to the Father, or acting as our go-between. That's a nice warm-fuzzy but it isnt real. The Father and the Holy Spirit love everyone the same as the Son does, so that cant be actually going on can it?
If I knew the answers to these questions I think the work that the Holy Spirit is trying to do in my life would be facilitated, and I need all the help I can get! Any ideas out there?

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#205056 - 12/14/08 11:25 PM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: rab]
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Whatever the answer is ... I would just trust that God is doing what is needed and will do what is needed in my Life. I guess it comes down to trust and faith ... the evidence of things not seen.
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#205182 - 12/15/08 08:45 PM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: rab]
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I believe that when Jesus ascended to Heaven he enter the Holy Place. Than in 1844 he went into the Most Holy. I believe that is were William Miller made is mistake, thinking that 1844 was when Jesus was to return. But than he figured it out, after he did more studying, that that was when Jesus would enter the Most Holy.

pk
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#205191 - 12/15/08 09:36 PM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: pkrause]
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From the time of Jesus' ascension until 1844, Jesus and the Father were in the Holy Place where Jesus was covering, or forgiving, the sins of those who put their faith in Him and asked God for forgiveness for their sins. That work was symbolized by the work of the Priests in the Holy Place of the earth sanctuary, when sinners brought their sacrifices to the sanctuary and had the blood transferred to the sanctuary.

In Oct. of 1844, Jesus and the Father left the Holy Place and went into the Most Holy. At this time, there began an investigation of the lives of those who had made a claim of having faith in the Messiah. If their lives show that their faith in Christ was genuine, and if they continued to have such faith until they died, their sins are blotted out. On the other hand, if their lives show that their faith in not genuine, or if they turned their back on God and returned to their sins, their names are blotted out of the book of life. GC 483.

Since 1844, then, we have been living in the antitypical day of Atonement, when the sins of the people were blotted out, not simply covered. Therefore, the difference between what Jesus did before His death and what He is doing now is that He is blotting people's sins out, making a final disposition of sin. God intends to make a full and complete end of sin.

Before His death, Jesus was not the High Priest and did not plead His blood before the Father. He could only do that AFTER He shed His blood.

Today He is forgiving sins and also blotting them out. After the end of human probation, Jesus will no longer forgive sins or blot them out. That work will have all been finished.


A.T. Jones' The Consecrated Way:

Quote:
The finishing of the mystery of God is the ending of the work of the gospel. And the ending of the work of the gospel is, first, the taking away of all vestige of sin and the bringing in of everlasting righteousness--Christ fully formed--within each believer, God alone manifest in the flesh of each believer in Jesus, and, secondly, on the other hand, the work of the gospel being finished means only the destruction of all who then shall not have received the gospel (2 Thess. 1:7-10), for it is not the way of the Lord to continue men in life when the only possible use they will make of life is to heap up more misery for themselves.

Again, in the service of the earthly sanctuary, we have seen that when the work of the gospel in the annual course was finished in behalf of those who had taken part in it, then all those who had taken no part in it were cut off. "Which was a figure for the time then present" and which plainly teaches that in the service of the true sanctuary when the work of the gospel shall have been finished for all those who have a part in it, then all those who do not have a part in it will be cut off. Thus, in both respects, the finishing of the mystery of God is the final ending of sin.

The service in the earthly sanctuary shows also that in order for the sanctuary to be cleansed and the course of the gospel service there to be finished, it must first be finished in the people who have a part in the service. That is to say: In the sanctuary itself, transgression could not be finished, an end of sins and reconciliation for iniquity could not be made, and everlasting righteousness could not be brought it, until all this had been accomplished in each person who had a part in the service of the sanctuary. The sanctuary itself could not be cleansed until each of the worshipers had been cleansed. The sanctuary itself could not be cleansed so long as, by the confessions of the people and the intercessions of the priests, there was pouring into the sanctuary a stream of iniquities, transgressions, and sins. The cleansing of the sanctuary, as to the sanctuary itself, was the taking out of and away from the sanctuary all the transgressions of the people which, by the service of the priests, had been taken into the sanctuary during the service of the year. And this stream must be stopped at its fountain in the hearts and lives of the worshipers, before the sanctuary itself could possibly be cleansed.

Therefore the very first work in the cleansing of the sanctuary was the cleansing of the people
. That which was preliminary and essential to the cleansing of the sanctuary itself, to the finishing of the transgression and bringing in everlasting righteousness, there, was the finishing of transgression, and the making an end of sins, and making reconciliation for iniquity, and bringing in everlasting righteousness in the heart and life of each one of the people themselves. When the stream that flowed into the sanctuary was thus stopped at its source, then, and then alone, could the sanctuary itself be cleansed from the sins and transgressions which, from the people, by the intercession of the priests, had flowed into the sanctuary.

And all that "was a figure for the time then present"--a "figure of the true." Therefore by this we are plainly taught that the service of our great High Priest in the cleansing of the true sanctuary must be preceded by the cleansing of each one of the believers, the cleansing of each one who has a part in that service of the true High Priest in the true sanctuary
. It is plain that transgression must be finished, an end of sins and reconciliation for all iniquity must be made, and everlasting righteousness must be brought in, in the heart's experience of every believer in Jesus, before the cleansing of the true sanctuary can be accomplished.

And this is the very object of the true priesthood in the true sanctuary
. The sacrifices, the priesthood, and the ministry in the sanctuary which was but a figure for the time then present, could not really take away sin, could not make the comers thereunto perfect, whereas the sacrifice, the priesthood, and the ministry of Christ in the true sanctuary does take away sins forever, does make the comers thereunto perfect, does perfect "forever them that are sanctified."




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#205197 - 12/15/08 09:53 PM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: John317]
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After the end of human probation, Jesus will no longer forgive sins or blot them out. That work will have all been finished.


This is an important truth that needs consideration.

The work will be DONE.

IOWs ... Your fate has been decided. So ... what ever happens ... happens.
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#205238 - 12/16/08 12:25 AM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: Woody]
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Originally Posted By: Redwood
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After the end of human probation, Jesus will no longer forgive sins or blot them out. That work will have all been finished.


This is an important truth that needs consideration.

The work will be DONE.

IOWs ... Your fate has been decided. So ... what ever happens ... happens.


We decide our fate by the choices we make every day, whether for Christ or against Him.

Quote:
Many are led to think that they are on the road to Heaven, because they profess to believe in Christ, while they reject the law of God. But they will find at last that they were on the way to perdition, instead of Heaven. Spiritual poison is sugar-coated with the doctrine of sanctification, and administered to the people. Thousands eagerly swallow it, feeling that if they are only honest in their belief they will be safe. But sincerity will not convert error to truth. A man may swallow poison, thinking it is food; but his sincerity will not save him from the effects of the dose. The Review and Herald, March 8, 1881, paragraph 13


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#205240 - 12/16/08 12:30 AM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: John317]
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Quote:
We decide our fate by the choices we make every day, whether for Christ or against Him.


In the context of this discussion ... you will see that your fate has been decided and sealed.

Quote:
"That work will have all been finished"
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#205248 - 12/16/08 01:14 AM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: Woody]
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Originally Posted By: Redwood
Quote:
We decide our fate by the choices we make every day, whether for Christ or against Him.


In the context of this discussion ... you will see that your fate has been decided and sealed.

Quote:
"That work will have all been finished"


"Fate" is the wrong word to use in the context of Christ's ministry in the heavenly sanctuary with regard to the salvation of those who will finally be saved. It's liable to give readers the wrong understanding about our salvation in relation to the heavenly sanctuary.

Neither the Bible nor the Spirit of prophecy use the word "fate." "Fate" always has a negative meaning, and it is something beyond a person's control. God never decides the events related to salvation in a way that is beyond our control or our choice.

See the dictionary:

Quote:
fate |fāt|
noun
1 the development of events beyond a person's control, regarded as determined by a supernatural power : fate decided his course for him | his injury is a cruel twist of fate.
the course of someone's life, or the outcome of a particular situation for someone or something, seen as beyond their control : he suffered the same fate as his companion.
• [in sing. ] the inescapable death of a person : the guards led her to her fate.
2 ( the Fates) Greek & Roman Mythology the three goddesses who preside over the birth and life of humans. Each person's destiny was thought of as a thread spun, measured, and cut by the three Fates, Clotho, Lachesis, and Atropos. Also called the Moirai and the Parcae .
• ( Fates) another term for Norns .
verb ( be fated)
be destined to happen, turn out, or act in a particular way : [with infinitive ] the regime was fated to end badly.
PHRASES
a fate worse than death see death .
seal someone's fate make it inevitable that something unpleasant will happen to someone.


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#205324 - 12/16/08 08:25 PM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: John317]
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I was wondering why you used that word ...
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#237975 - 04/24/09 09:57 AM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: Woody]
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I believe in this doctrine from the Bible
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#238785 - 04/27/09 02:52 AM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: True-believer]
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Can this unique doctrine of our church be proven from the Bible and the Bible alone without the assistance of any of the writings of Ellen G. White?
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#238789 - 04/27/09 03:09 AM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: Daryl Fawcett]
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HEY DARYL FAWCETT

go to LEVITICUS and study about the earthly
sanctuary then study HEB chap 8--9--10


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#238918 - 04/27/09 09:33 PM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: Daryl Fawcett]
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I think not.....mel

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#238926 - 04/27/09 11:16 PM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: melvin mccarty]
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HEY MELVIN MCCARTY


WHAT DO YOU NOT THINK?????


dgrimm60

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#238945 - 04/28/09 12:43 AM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: dgrimm60]
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See (Re: Daryl Fawcett)....mel

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#238977 - 04/28/09 02:43 AM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: Daryl Fawcett]
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Have you read Daniel by William Shea. I think he does a good job of it.

pk
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#238990 - 04/28/09 03:02 AM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: pkrause]
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HEY MELVIN MCCARTY


What makes you believe that the sanctuary message
can not be proven just from the bible

I BELIEVE that any of GOD'S TRUTHS can be proven
from the bible......


dgrimm60

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#238991 - 04/28/09 03:06 AM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: dgrimm60]
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It might need a little help from someone to clarify it. Because there are those that know the original language and the translation of the words, that we do not know.

pk
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#239073 - 04/28/09 03:22 PM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: pkrause]
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Originally Posted By: pkrause
I believe that when Jesus ascended to Heaven he enter the Holy Place. Than in 1844 he went into the Most Holy. I believe that is were William Miller made is mistake, thinking that 1844 was when Jesus was to return. But than he figured it out, after he did more studying, that that was when Jesus would enter the Most Holy.

pk


Indeed. that is correct.

in Christ,

Bob

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#239075 - 04/28/09 03:26 PM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: John317]
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Originally Posted By: John317
From the time of Jesus' ascension until 1844, Jesus and the Father were in the Holy Place where Jesus was covering, or forgiving, the sins of those who put their faith in Him and asked God for forgiveness for their sins. That work was symbolized by the work of the Priests in the Holy Place of the earth sanctuary, when sinners brought their sacrifices to the sanctuary and had the blood transferred to the sanctuary.

In Oct. of 1844, Jesus and the Father left the Holy Place and went into the Most Holy. At this time, there began an investigation of the lives of those who had made a claim of having faith in the Messiah. If their lives show that their faith in Christ was genuine, and if they continued to have such faith until they died, their sins are blotted out. On the other hand, if their lives show that their faith in not genuine, or if they turned their back on God and returned to their sins, their names are blotted out of the book of life. GC 483.


Amen!


However I would add that prior to that time people were fully forgiven of sins through the blood of Christ. For God is one who "counts those things that are not as though they were" since He is not bound by Time. Therefore Elijah fully forgiven by the blood of Christ - goes to heaven. Enoch fully forgiven by the blood of Christ - goes to heaven. Moses fully forgiven by the blood of Christ is raised from the dead in a glorified body and is taken to heaven (see the book "the Assumption of Moses").

Christ in Luke 5 says "your sins ARE forgiven" to the man lowered through the ceiling.

in Christ,

Bob

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#239077 - 04/28/09 03:30 PM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: Daryl Fawcett]
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Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
Can this unique doctrine of our church be proven from the Bible and the Bible alone without the assistance of any of the writings of Ellen G. White?


Heb 8 and 9 speak to the High Priestly work of Christ that started with his ascension into the Heavenly sanctuary.

Heb 7 says that this transition to His Role as High Priest required a change in the laws regarding sacrifices. Heb 10 says in fact that all laws regarding sacrifices ended at the cross.

Daniel 7 says that as soon as the work in heaven regarding judgment -- ends with "Judgment passed in favor of the saints" THEN the saints will stop being persecuted and THEN they will inhert the kingdom that will have been handed over to Christ.

Lev 16 says that BOTH the work of Christ as the "lamb of God" (Atoning Sacrifice) AND the work of Christ as "The High Priest on day of Atonement" is required for "Atonement to be complete".

1John 2:2 (NIV) says that the "Atoning Sacrifice" was completed on the cross.

Indeed - it is all in scripture and none of it is "proven" in anyway via Ellen White.

She provides some details -- fine tune facts -- but the doctrine itself stands or falls "sola scriptura" as is the case with ALL doctrine.

NO SDA doctrine can ever come from the work of an extra biblical prophet. Not even from Ellen White.

in Christ,

Bob


Edited by BobRyan (04/28/09 03:32 PM)

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#239527 - 04/29/09 08:52 PM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: BobRyan]
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So if you believe those things does that make them true? One must try to find what is truth and not just try to prove that what we believe is right is in fact right.....mel

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#239530 - 04/29/09 09:10 PM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: Daryl Fawcett]
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Originally Posted By: Daryl Fawcett
Can this unique doctrine of our church be proven from the Bible and the Bible alone without the assistance of any of the writings of Ellen G. White?


Yes, it can be, and has.

See a recently published book, which can be obtained from the ABC or ordered online or through the ABC--

http://www.investigativejudgmentgospel.org/default.htm

All the evidence in the book is based on Scripture alone.

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#239531 - 04/29/09 09:14 PM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: melvin mccarty]
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Originally Posted By: melvin mccarty
So if you believe those things does that make them true? One must try to find what is truth and not just try to prove that what we believe is right is in fact right.....mel


So if you don't want to believe those things, does that make them untrue?

Mel, try to find what is truth and not just try to prove it is wrong. Be open minded and study the topic by reading both sides of the issue.

Have you read the Daniel and Revelation Committee Series?

How about this book:

http://www.investigativejudgmentgospel.org/default.htm


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#239571 - 04/30/09 01:18 AM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: John317]
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This looks like a very interesting book. We just finished "Daniel" by Shea, and it goes through, obviously all of Daniel, but the IJ as well. When I get a chance I might purchase this book about the IJ by Shea.

pk
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#239717 - 04/30/09 07:48 PM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: pkrause]
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The most important question in our time, is what is Jesus doing for us right now?

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#239718 - 04/30/09 07:49 PM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: Twilight]
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Why is the sanctuary so important?

Clue:

Sanctification.



Answers on a postcard please?
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#239725 - 04/30/09 08:42 PM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: Twilight]
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HEY TWILIGHT

JUST like the earthly sanctuary had to be cleansed

the HEAVENLY SANCTUARY has to be cleansed


dgrimm60

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#239726 - 04/30/09 08:45 PM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: dgrimm60]
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A good answer, but not the one we are looking for...

Twilight.

Originally Posted By: dgrimm60
HEY TWILIGHT

JUST like the earthly sanctuary had to be cleansed

the HEAVENLY SANCTUARY has to be cleansed


dgrimm60
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#239740 - 04/30/09 09:41 PM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: Twilight]
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The Sanctuary is the mechanism for completing the Atonement process described in Lev 16.

The Sanctuary is where God answers questions about the Gospel fact that some are saved and some are not. Case by Case the answers come in.

The Sanctuary is where God's claims about Justice and Mercy BOTH being preserved in the plan of salvation - are proven to be correct.

The Sanctuary is where the false accusations against God and against the saints (as seen in Job 1 and in Daniel 7) are refuted.

"Cleansing the sanctuary" can also be thought of as "providing the necessary answers". Because at the end of that process "the saints come home" and are welcomed by all -- no more questions asked.

in Christ,

Bob


Edited by BobRyan (04/30/09 09:43 PM)

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#239754 - 04/30/09 10:47 PM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: Twilight]
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The most important question in our time, is what is Jesus doing for us right now?

Twilight


I believe you are right, Twilight. What he is doing right now is just as important for our personal salvation as what He did on the cross. If all He did was die on the cross, we could not be saved. This is what Paul talks about in 1 Cor. 15: 14-18.

Hebrews 4: 14-16 tells us what Jesus is doing today; he is providing us with power to resist and overcome sin, preparing us for His return:

Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

1 Cor. 10: 13--

No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.









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#239871 - 05/01/09 07:29 AM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: John317]
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#239877 - 05/01/09 10:12 AM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: Woody]
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Praise God for the resurrection. That is why I particularly enjoy Easter time.


Honestly?

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#239899 - 05/01/09 01:02 PM Re: 23. Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary: [Re: John317]
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Originally Posted By: John317
Originally Posted By: Twilight
The most important question in our time, is what is Jesus doing for us right now?

Twilight


I believe you are right, Twilight. What he is doing right now is just as important for our personal salvation as what He did on the cross. If all He did was die on the cross, we could not be saved. This is what Paul talks about in 1 Cor. 15: 14-18.

Hebrews 4: 14-16 tells us what Jesus is doing today; he is providing us with power to resist and overcome sin, preparing us for His return:
Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

1 Cor. 10: 13--

No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.



Hebrews 4: 14-16 tells us what Jesus is doing today; he is providing us with power to resist and overcome sin, preparing us for His return:

Amen brother :-)

This is why we need to understand the sanctuary as Christians seeking to overcome by the Power of God, we need to understand how and upon what basis that power is passed to us.

This should be the subject that occuppies our minds.

Because if we are to be witnesses to the world, we need to have a living example of the gospel in our lives, only Jesus can mediate that to us.

Twilight


Edited by Twilight (05/01/09 01:02 PM)
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