#34172 - 2005-05-22 15:44:05
Re: 17. The Gift of Prophecy:
[Re: Halfstep Denise]
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http://www.atoday.com/Story.6+M58fb9c9decb.0.htmlQuote:
This strongly suggests that dissociative religious experiences are interesting historically and psychologically but irrelevant philosophically and theologically. No falsehood is made true because it flows from an dissociative religious experience and no truth is made false because it doesn’t. As Paul of Tarsus made clear in one of the earliest Christian letters, we are to test all assertions, even those made by prophets, and we are to retain only that which passes our examinations. We are to accept no assertion on the basis of sheer authority, even if the one who makes it acts in strange and awesome ways.
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When we think about it calmly and candidly, many of us can admit that the life and writings of Ellen White have helped us in some ways and hurt us in others, partly because of the way others have used her comments but also partly because of what she actually said and did. Our mission, if we choose to accept it, is to recognize this as a fact of our lives, make the most of what we find helpful in her writings and leave the rest on the shelf, seeking only to be willing to learn from a complex and accomplished woman who lived in a time and place that was very different from our own. In my view, Ann Taves’ Fits, Trances and Visions: Experiencing Religion and Explaining Experience from Wesley to James can inform and inspire us as we travel together on the interesting and very important journey we call life.
/Bevin
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#34173 - 2005-05-24 06:03:38
Re: 17. The Gift of Prophecy:
[Re: Mandy]
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These quotes are exactly why I avoid Atoday...
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#150144 - 2008-01-02 21:10:57
Re: 17. The Gift of Prophecy:
[Re: Woody]
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Those who put too much trust in fallible, erring human beings will end up being disappointed or disillusioned when they realize they may have been scammed by a wealthy or persuasive self-promoting propaganda machine.
It's unfortunate that EGW's ministry began more like a circus act than a real prophet's ministry. (Holding up a heavy Bible for hours while holding her breath, proven by holding mirrors under her nostrils.)
Any one of us can read the scriptures and try to convince others that our explanation is correct. We could also concoct visions and angelic visits to assign more importance to our ideas and opinions. The most important thing is, not who said what about anything, but, did we conduct ourselves as faithful servants by doing whatever our Master commanded us to do as written in the scriptures. Nothing else matters, really, if our goal is to enter the Kingdom of God in the next life.
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#171694 - 2008-05-30 07:54:38
Re: 17. The Gift of Prophecy:
[Re: Stan Jensen]
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This is a quote from a letter I gave to someone who was tryin to convince me that there could be no more prophets.... The problem with your point of understanding is that a prophet is just someone that gets a revelation that is not in the Bible, verbatim. ALL Christians need such revelations. You claim that God would never tell a prophet, like E.G. White, to build a church here or a school there. But ask yourself, does God give you "extra-biblical" information; you seem to be someone who would pray to God and ask him whether you should move your family here or take a job there. Where in the Bible does it tell you to move your family here, are you a false prophet, then? ALL Christians need new revelations. It is called having a personal relationship with God! God will always give new revelations, because God will always give you revelations. He responded by saying he would never ask God a personal question, like if a job was right for him, I think that was a lie he told, he usually told lies and made stuff up when he lost an argument. Read full letter
Edited by nishaun (2008-05-30 07:55:55)
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#171749 - 2008-05-30 16:31:45
Re: 17. The Gift of Prophecy:
[Re: nishaun]
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As the Lord’s messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. I think we should rewrite No17 and cancel this sentence. Or at least the part in bold.
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#171769 - 2008-05-30 19:34:06
Re: 17. The Gift of Prophecy:
[Re: Pedja]
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As the Lord’s messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. I think we should rewrite No17 and cancel this sentence. Or at least the part in bold. What is your objection to this? I certainly don't see any fault in it. There are many authors who would fit in to this classification. I would like to propose that George Knight and Jon Paulien for certain would qualify. Are they not an ongoing source of truth? Are they not an authority on the Adventist subjects they write about? No need to stop with the two I mentioned. But, like I say ... many would qualify under this statement. So, I don't find it offensive or exclusive at all.
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