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#201729 - 11/23/08 06:01 PM Re: 17. The Gift of Prophecy: [Re: John317]
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Ellen White refused to call herself a 'Prophet' . Instead she chose the term 'messenger'. This brings up the question ... Who is a messenger? Ellen White describes those in ministry as being the messengers:

"Why do some of our ministers manifest so little interest in health reform? It is because instruction on temperance in all things is opposed to their practice of self-indulgence. In some places this has been the great stumbling block in the way of our bringing the people to investigate and practice and teach health reform. No one should be set apart as a teacher of the people while his or her own teaching or example contradicts the testimony God has given His servants to bear in regard to diet, for this will bring confusion. Disregard of health reform unfits one to stand as the Lord’s messenger." BLJ 291

"God's chosen messengers, who are engaged in aggressive labor, should never be compelled to go a warfare at their own charges, unaided by the sympathetic and hearty support of their brethren. It is the part of church members to deal liberally with those who lay aside their secular employment that they may give themselves to the ministry. When God's ministers are encouraged, His cause is greatly advanced. But when, through the selfishness of men, their rightful support is withheld, their hands are weakened, and often their usefulness is seriously crippled." AA 340
"The displeasure of God is kindled against those who claim to be His followers, yet allow consecrated workers to suffer for the necessities of life while engaged in active ministry. These selfish ones will be called to render an account, not only for the misuse of their Lord's money, but for the depression and heartache which their course has brought upon His faithful servants. Those who are called to the work of the ministry, and at the call of duty give up all to engage in God's service, should receive for their self-sacrificing efforts wages sufficient to support themselves and their families." AA 340

"When God's messengers recognize their responsibilities toward the needy portions of the Lord's vineyard, and in the spirit of the Master Worker labor untiringly for the conversion of souls, the angels of God will prepare the way before them, and the means necessary for the carrying forward of the work will be provided. Those who are enlightened will give freely to support the work done in their behalf. They will respond liberally to every call for help, and the Spirit of God will move upon their hearts to sustain the Lord's cause not only in the home fields, but in the regions beyond. Thus strength will come to the working forces in other places, and the work of the Lord will advance in His own appointed way." AA 357


"He who gave back to the widow her only son as he was carried to the burial is touched today by the woe of the bereaved mother. He who wept tears of sympathy at the grave of Lazarus and gave back to Martha and Mary their buried brother; who pardoned Mary Magdalene; who remembered His mother when He was hanging in agony upon the cross; who appeared to the weeping women and made them His messengers to spread the first glad tidings of a risen Saviour--He is woman's best friend today and is ready to aid her in all the relations of life." AH 204

Yes. We are called to be His messenger to tell of the risen Saviour.
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#201782 - 11/23/08 11:08 PM Re: 17. The Gift of Prophecy: [Re: John317]
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It is written that in the last days sons and daughters will prophesy and that young men shall see visions and old men dream dreams. These seem to mean not a single "spirit of prophecy" but a multiple outpouring. Is this still future in your opinion or was it a mistake?...mel

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#201790 - 11/24/08 12:15 AM Re: 17. The Gift of Prophecy: [Re: Redwood]
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Originally Posted By: Redwood
Ellen White refused to call herself a 'Prophet' . Instead she chose the term 'messenger'.


Why did Ellen White refuse to call herself a prophet? What reasons does she give?

She said that her work included that of a prophet but that her work was MORE than a prophet. She said also that the reason she didn't refer to herself as a prophet was to avoid being associated with misuses of the title and the word. Remember that she said she had no disagreement at all if people wanted to call her a prophet. Study 1 SM 17-40.

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Experiences as God's Messenger Recounted.-- For half a century I have been the Lord's messenger, and as long as my life shall last I shall continue to bear the messages that God gives me for His people. I take no glory to myself. In my youth the Lord made me His messenger, to communicate to His people testimonies of encouragement, warning, and reproof. For sixty years I have been in communication with heavenly messengers, and I have been constantly learning in reference to divine things, and in reference to the way in which God is constantly working to bring souls from the error of their ways to the light in God's light. {3SM 71.1}


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#201791 - 11/24/08 12:24 AM Re: 17. The Gift of Prophecy: [Re: melvin mccarty]
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The verse had partial fulfillments in the second chapter of Acts, also partial fulfillment in the life and ministry of Ellen White. The promise is to be further fulfilled in the future, especially when the Latter Rain gives God's people the power to proclaim the Loud Cry.

It is possible for God to raise up more prophets, but all prophets of God will agree with each other. God doesn't inspire one prophet to say something that He later inspires another prophet to contradict.

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#201793 - 11/24/08 12:44 AM Re: 17. The Gift of Prophecy: [Re: melvin mccarty]
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Originally Posted By: melvin mccarty
These seem to mean not a single "spirit of prophecy" but a multiple outpouring.


Rev. 12:17 and Rev. 19: 10 show God will raise up a "remnant" just before Christ returns which will be characterized by at least two major identifying marks:

1) It will keep the commandments, or the law, of God.

2) It will will be blessed by God with a restoration of the gift of prophecy. Seventh-day Adventists believe this gift was manifested in the life and ministry of Ellen White.

Of course you are right. Ellen White will not be the last exhibition of God's outpouring of His Spirit. Look for more. There will be true prophets, and where there are true prophets, you may be sure there will also be false prophets.


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#201845 - 11/24/08 12:15 PM Re: 17. The Gift of Prophecy: [Re: John317]
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Originally Posted By: John317
Rev. 12:17 and Rev. 19: 10 show God will raise up a "remnant" just before Christ returns which will be characterized by at least two major identifying marks:

1) It will keep the commandments, or the law, of God.

2) It will will be blessed by God with a restoration of the gift of prophecy. Seventh-day Adventists believe this gift was manifested in the life and ministry of Ellen White.


The Remnant

Here's a sample:

Here we immediately face a problem. Normally, we have applied this word remnant to refer to the Seventh-day Adventist church. However, the Greek word John used does not refer to a church or a denomination, but rather a special people that are a part of the church, those who have reached maturity.

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#201850 - 11/24/08 02:07 PM Re: 17. The Gift of Prophecy: [Re: Robert]
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The remnant will never be any church as a whole, but a small portion of the church that is the same as the original church. It will have the identifyng marks of the true church--kssp the Sabbath and have the Spirit of Prophecy.
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#201856 - 11/24/08 04:42 PM Re: 17. The Gift of Prophecy: [Re: Robert]
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Originally Posted By: Robert
Originally Posted By: John317
Rev. 12:17 and Rev. 19: 10 show God will raise up a "remnant" just before Christ returns which will be characterized by at least two major identifying marks:

1) It will keep the commandments, or the law, of God.

2) It will will be blessed by God with a restoration of the gift of prophecy. Seventh-day Adventists believe this gift was manifested in the life and ministry of Ellen White.


The Remnant

Here's a sample:

Here we immediately face a problem. Normally, we have applied this word remnant to refer to the Seventh-day Adventist church. However, the Greek word John used does not refer to a church or a denomination, but rather a special people that are a part of the church, those who have reached maturity.




It doesn't matter what you call the group of people which God raised up in the middle to late 1800s. The point is that the book of Revelation points to a group that God raises up to proclaim the Three Angels Messages, and they have certain identifying marks. This group at the end of time, just before Christ returns, was predicted to arise just about the time the little-horn power receives its mortal wound, the earth-beast of REv. 13 is coming on to the scene of history; and this last-day group will be characterized by the keeping of the commandments of God and having the spirit of prophecy.

You will notice that Jack Sequeira also believes that this group in prophecy-- whatever name you call it-- is fulfilled in the Seventh-day Adventist church. God raised up the SDA church for the specific purpose of giving the three angeles messages of REv. 14. Both the gospel and the law of God were attacked by the little-horn power of Daniel 7 and 8. The Seventh-day Adventist church was raised up to restore the gospel and to tell the world the truth about the attempt to change God's downtrodden law.

Use of "remnant" in the book of Revelation:


Quote:
Re 2:24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

Re 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

Re 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

Re 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

Re 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Re 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Re 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


Greek > Loipoy
The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 3062 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
loipovß masculine plural of a derivative of (3007)

Loipoy None
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
loy-poy' Adverb ("finally"-- Eph. 6:10)
Definition
remaining, the rest
the rest of any number or class under consideration
with a certain distinction and contrast, the rest, who are not of a specific class or number
the rest of the things that remain

King James Word Usage - Total: 41
other 15, rest 12, others 7, remnant 4, residue 1, which remains 1, other things 1








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#201861 - 11/24/08 05:31 PM Re: 17. The Gift of Prophecy: [Re: melvin mccarty]
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Jesus warned about the appearance of false christs and false prophets who would deceive many (Matt. 24:24). He did not warn His followers against receiving any christ, for He, the true Christ, would come. So He warned against receiving false christs. Similarly, He did not warn against receiving any prophet, but against receiving false ones, whom we would know by their fruits (Matt. 7:15, 16). The prophet Joel had predicted that in the time just before “the great and awesome day of the Lord,” when certain signs would take place in the heavens (darkened sun, and the moon becoming like blood), one should also expect the prophetic gift to be seen. And in Revelation 12:17 and 19:10, John would later foretell that the remnant of God’s true people, down at the end, would “keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ,” which is “the spirit of prophecy,” the Holy Spirit bringing the prophetic gift again to God’s people.

“Surely the Lord God does nothing, unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets.” God would have a prophetic voice again, in preparation for the greatest event of the ages—the return of Jesus. That voice would help guide the people of God through the treacherous days at the end for their own salvation, and it would help them see how God wants them to tell others and bring them to Him as well. As John the Baptist helped prepare people for the first coming of Jesus, so God would use the gift of prophecy to help prepare people for Jesus’ second coming.

Seventh-day Adventists believe that Ellen G. White manifested that gift of prophecy. Her prophetic ministry came at the right time in the progression of events, according to the Scriptures. Her messages helped us to unify on correct Bible doctrines. She pointed out evils that needed to be corrected. God gave her instruction for the church about organization, about health, about publishing, about education, and many other topics that have helped to make our Christian living vibrant, our church strong, and our outreach effective. Most of all, she points us to our soon-coming Savior and Redeemer, urging us not only to “be diligent to be found by Him in peace” (2 Pet. 3:14) ourselves, but to use the time we have remaining to bring as many people as we can to know Jesus and honor Him in their obedient worship and daily living. God has used her to help prepare us for what will come. “Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but He revealeth His secret unto His servants the prophets.”

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#201900 - 11/25/08 12:47 AM Re: 17. The Gift of Prophecy: [Re: John317]
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Yes. There will be many who are false christs and false prophets. It would be best if we kept our focus on Jesus and the Bible and not some future christ or prophet. I think the Bible has all we need.
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