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#34183 - 04/03/05 04:43 AM 8. The Great Controversy:
Stan Jensen Offline
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All humanity is now involved in a great controversy between Christ
and Satan regarding the character of God, His law, and His sovereignty over the universe. This
conflict originated in heaven when a created being, endowed with freedom of choice, in selfexaltation
became Satan, God’s adversary, and led into rebellion a portion of the angels. He
introduced the spirit of rebellion into this world when he led Adam and Eve into sin. This human
sin resulted in the distortion of the image of God in humanity, the disordering of the created
world, and its eventual devastation at the time of the worldwide flood. Observed by the whole
creation, this world became the arena of the universal conflict, out of which the God of love will
ultimately be vindicated. To assist His people in this controversy, Christ sends the Holy Spirit
and the loyal angels to guide, protect, and sustain them in the way of salvation. (Rev. 12:4-9;
Isa. 14:12-14; Eze. 28:12-18; Gen. 3; Rom. 1:19-32; 5:12-21; 8:19-22; Gen. 6-8; 2 Peter 3:6; 1
Cor. 4:9; Heb. 1:14.)

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#155904 - 02/08/08 11:58 AM Re: 8. The Great Controversy: [Re: Stan Jensen]
Wedzerai Chitsa
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What happened in the heavens that led to the revolt, what suppoting verses illustrate that there was war/rebellion , How do I make someone believe this is what happened?

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#156100 - 02/09/08 10:25 AM Re: 8. The Great Controversy: [Re: ]
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What happened in the heavens that led to the revolt, what suppoting verses illustrate that there was war/rebellion , How do I make someone believe this is what happened?


Revelation 12:4 along with Matthew 2:16-18.
Revelation 12:7-9

They will make a good starting place, read along with the texts already given.

Beryl
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#237979 - 04/24/09 10:02 AM Re: 8. The Great Controversy: [Re: Beryl]
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I believe---it is Biblically based
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To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

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#237994 - 04/24/09 01:48 PM Re: 8. The Great Controversy: [Re: True-believer]
dgrimm60 Online   content


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HEY ALL

yes we are in a war and yet many people do not
know we are.... plus some christians are becoming
very lax in this war...


dgrimm60

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#238795 - 04/27/09 04:12 AM Re: 8. The Great Controversy: [Re: dgrimm60]
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"All humanity is now involved in a great controversy between Christ and Satan regarding the character of God, His law, and His sovereignty over the universe."

I completely disagree with the premise of this belief. The supporting texts given do not support this belief at all.

Rev. 12: 4-9 speaks of the devil as defeated, not actively engaged in warfare.

Isaiah 14:12-14 says that satan will be cut down and cast into hell.

And on and on. Nothing here speaks to questioning the character of God. Someone give me a scripture where the character of God is in question in line with this belief?? And that God must defend his character?

What the battle is over is for the souls of men. Satan is NOT the equal of God or Jesus. God and Satan are not fighting. Jesus created Satan and could do away with him in a blink of an eye. God doesn't have to prove his character to man, his creation, that is demonic. The only person who would say that is the devil.
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#238803 - 04/27/09 04:40 AM Re: 8. The Great Controversy: [Re: Haldog]
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Originally Posted By: Haldog
Satan is NOT the equal of God or Jesus. God and Satan are not fighting. Jesus created Satan and could do away with him in a blink of an eye. God doesn't have to prove his character to man, his creation, that is demonic. The only person who would say that is the devil....


You misunderstand what is being said. No one has said that God and Satan are equals. Of course God could have destroyed Satan at any time. That's one of the main points: Why didn't He?

The book of Job gives a partial answer. God is waiting for people to make up their minds whether to follow God or Satan.

See Romans 3: 4 and Rev. 14: 7. The Bible does speak of God being judged also.

The book of Revelation gives the final verdict of the universe:

Rev. 4: 11; 15: 3, 4; 16: 5; 19: 1,2, 6; Daniel 7: 14, 18, 27. The Investigative Judgment will find that God is righteous and true and worthy to receive glory and honor and power. Amen!

Carefully read: http://www.whiteestate.org/books/gc/gc29.html

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#238812 - 04/27/09 05:04 AM Re: 8. The Great Controversy: [Re: John317]
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HEY JOHN317

yes GOD is on trial here

Good Points JOHN317


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#238817 - 04/27/09 05:14 AM Re: 8. The Great Controversy: [Re: dgrimm60]
Haldog Offline
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Loc: Kansas
Reading EGW beclouds my mind, I prefer the bible.
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#238823 - 04/27/09 05:26 AM Re: 8. The Great Controversy: [Re: Haldog]
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HEY HALDOG


THEN READ THE BIBLE the truth is in there...


dgrimm60

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