All humanity is now involved in a great controversy between Christ
and Satan regarding the character of God, His law, and His sovereignty over the universe. This
conflict originated in heaven when a created being, endowed with freedom of choice, in selfexaltation
became Satan, God’s adversary, and led into rebellion a portion of the angels. He
introduced the spirit of rebellion into this world when he led Adam and Eve into sin. This human
sin resulted in the distortion of the image of God in humanity, the disordering of the created
world, and its eventual devastation at the time of the worldwide flood. Observed by the whole
creation, this world became the arena of the universal conflict, out of which the God of love will
ultimately be vindicated. To assist His people in this controversy, Christ sends the Holy Spirit
and the loyal angels to guide, protect, and sustain them in the way of salvation. (Rev. 12:4-9;
Isa. 14:12-14; Eze. 28:12-18; Gen. 3; Rom. 1:19-32; 5:12-21; 8:19-22; Gen. 6-8; 2 Peter 3:6; 1
Cor. 4:9; Heb. 1:14.)

What happened in the heavens that led to the revolt, what suppoting verses illustrate that there was war/rebellion , How do I make someone believe this is what happened?

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What happened in the heavens that led to the revolt, what suppoting verses illustrate that there was war/rebellion , How do I make someone believe this is what happened?

Revelation 12:4 along with Matthew 2:16-18.
Revelation 12:7-9

They will make a good starting place, read along with the texts already given.

Beryl

I believe---it is Biblically based

HEY ALL

yes we are in a war and yet many people do not
know we are.... plus some christians are becoming
very lax in this war...


dgrimm60

"All humanity is now involved in a great controversy between Christ and Satan regarding the character of God, His law, and His sovereignty over the universe."

I completely disagree with the premise of this belief. The supporting texts given do not support this belief at all.

Rev. 12: 4-9 speaks of the devil as defeated, not actively engaged in warfare.

Isaiah 14:12-14 says that satan will be cut down and cast into hell.

And on and on. Nothing here speaks to questioning the character of God. Someone give me a scripture where the character of God is in question in line with this belief?? And that God must defend his character?

What the battle is over is for the souls of men. Satan is NOT the equal of God or Jesus. God and Satan are not fighting. Jesus created Satan and could do away with him in a blink of an eye. God doesn't have to prove his character to man, his creation, that is demonic. The only person who would say that is the devil.

You misunderstand what is being said. No one has said that God and Satan are equals. Of course God could have destroyed Satan at any time. That's one of the main points: Why didn't He?

The book of Job gives a partial answer. God is waiting for people to make up their minds whether to follow God or Satan.

See Romans 3: 4 and Rev. 14: 7. The Bible does speak of God being judged also.

The book of Revelation gives the final verdict of the universe:

Rev. 4: 11; 15: 3, 4; 16: 5; 19: 1,2, 6; Daniel 7: 14, 18, 27. The Investigative Judgment will find that God is righteous and true and worthy to receive glory and honor and power. Amen!

Carefully read: http://www.whiteestate.org/books/gc/gc29.html

HEY JOHN317

yes GOD is on trial here

Good Points JOHN317


dgrimm60

Reading EGW beclouds my mind, I prefer the bible.

HEY HALDOG


THEN READ THE BIBLE the truth is in there...


dgrimm60

I'm glad I'm not the only one.

Reading the Bible is a pleasure. But reading EGW - I went through a long phase where I could not even touch one of her books. Now I can take her in small-to-moderate doses, and even appreciate some of her sensible insights and perspectives, as long as I keep reminding myself: "I will NOT be lost if I don't agree with every word. I will NOT be lost if I don't agree with every word. This is NOT the Bible."

aldona

I would be very concerned about that fact if I were you.

You won't be lost if you don't believe every word of the Bible, either. There will be many in heaven who didn't accept every book in the Bible. Martin Luther, for instance, didn't much care for James, and he had real doubts about the genuineness of Revelation. It was centuries before the Western church accepted Revelation.

But why do you have those feelings about God's messenger, one to whom He gave 2,000 visions and dreams? If God gave them to her, do you think He made a mistake or gave her those dreams in order for us to ignore or reject them?

HEY JOHN317

YES I agree that both the bible and the writings
of E.G. WHITE can be hard to understand some times
but we just need to pray and ask GOD to help us understand...

dgrimm60

The Bible was written in a world where the Great Controversy was a major theam of the culture, it took commomn ideas and corrected mistakes that had developed in paganism.

Today we read the Bible in a world where the Great Controversy is not a part of daily culture and Mrs. White points out to us this important context that the Bible writers and first readers took for granted.

This is sad, but I do not blame you. I wish you could learn about what Mrs. White said about what visions did and did not do for her, and corrispondence with some of the spiritual fathers of those who were to develop into the so called "Historic Adventists" and with Stephen Haskell. Haskell and White had quite an argument over how to use her writings. Or even the arguments between Willie White and Elder Wilkerson. Sadly in 1923 Haskell's views won out and Mrs. White's views were rejected. What has caused your pain has been by you being taught either Haskell's views and/or the ideas of the pre and developing Historic Adventist's views. They give such amazing lip service to Mrs. White but on this point (and other points that do not fit their ideas) they reject her or do their best to twist her words to make it that she was not arguing with these people but in full agreement with them.

Mrs. White did a wonderful ministry and it is exciting to read her after having read her corrispondence with Haskell, and the forerunners of the Historic Adventists and about Willie's and Prescott's arguments with Wilkerson.