#34184 - 2005-04-02 20:44:06
7. The Nature of Man:
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Man and woman were made in the image of God with individuality, the power and freedom to think and to do. Though created free beings, each is an indivisible unity of body, mind, and spirit, dependent upon God for life and breath and all else. When our first parents disobeyed God, they denied their dependence upon Him and fell from their high position under God. The image of God in them was marred and they became subject to death. Their descendants share this fallen nature and its consequences. They are born with weaknesses and tendencies to evil. But God in Christ reconciled the world to Himself and by His Spirit restores in penitent mortals the image of their Maker. Created for the glory of God, they are called to love Him and one another, and to care for their environment. (Gen. 1:26-28; 2:7; Ps. 8:4-8; Acts 17:24-28; Gen. 3; Ps. 51:5; Rom. 5:12-17; 2 Cor. 5:19, 20; Ps. 51:10; 1 John 4:7, 8, 11, 20; Gen. 2:15.)
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#34185 - 2005-12-29 19:34:28
Re: 7. The Nature of Man:
[Re: Halfstep Denise]
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I notice there is nothing in this statement that says clearly that people do not have immortal souls or that nothing conscious survives death. I could imagine that someone who believes in the immortality of the soul could easily agree with the statement as it reads. The writers must have known exactly what their words communicate, so why did they choose to keep it out of the statement?
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#305714 - 2009-12-08 00:23:37
Re: 7. The Nature of Man:
[Re: John317]
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I notice there is nothing in this statement that says clearly that people do not have immortal souls or that nothing conscious survives death. I could imagine that someone who believes in the immortality of the soul could easily agree with the statement as it reads. The writers must have known exactly what their words communicate, so why did they choose to keep it out of the statement? John317, It is quite possible that not everyone on the committee that framed the wording of this statement was in agreement on this issue. I have observed that some on this forum who consider themselves faithful, conservative Seventh-day Adventist argue as if man was a dichotomy of body and and immaterial, immortal spirit. Just look at some of the discussion on the "I die daily..." thread. It is a possibility...
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#365684 - 2010-06-10 11:37:21
Re: 7. The Nature of Man:
[Re: dgrimm60]
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There are unexplainable phenomenons such as OBEs. I can't claim legitimacy, or illigitimacy... BUT the documented cases claim that people had OBEs and proved that by describing thing that they could not possibly see.
We chalk it up to Satan's deception, but how would Satan fake such experience? Does he have ability to implant visual thoughts into our mind? If so, then why not go about deceiving that way to begin with?
There is contradicting evidence Biblically when you come to Body/Soul. Jews did not believe in such duality, but then a Gospel writer who was a Jew quotes Jesus saying:
"And do not fear those who kill the body, but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both the soul and body in hell." Why would Jesus say that? The soul (or spirit) is distinctly shown as a separate entity. If it's merely God's breath, then why is it spoken of as being destroyed in hell?
Then there are 1 Pet. 3:19-20 "Spirits in Prison" that were disobedient during the times of Noah, and to who Christ went and preached. What are those?
Then there's the Rev. 6:9... perhaps symbolic, but nevertheless does beg the question.
But the ultimate question not the Nature of Man... but the nature of the existence all together as compared to the nature of God. What is the physical world? How does it work? What is human mind vs human body? Is it merely molecules combined to form a bio-robot... or is there something more to it?
When we say "My body". Who am I then, if the body is mine? Am I merely a brain? :)
There are many unanswered questions from the Bible that we can only speculate on until we experience the death firsthand.
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#365686 - 2010-06-10 11:40:38
Re: 7. The Nature of Man:
[Re: fccool]
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Of course, forgot about the famous allegory:
"Whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord; ...we are of good courage, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the Lord" (2 Cor. 5:6-8)
Why use such language if it's potentially heretical?
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