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#108907 - 2007-01-10 01:22:40 Re: 4. The Son: [Re: Robert]
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Robert,

You have not answered my questions. Every one in this forum know that there is only One Jesus, I did not ask you that.

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#108909 - 2007-01-10 05:20:13 Re: 4. The Son: [Re: yongttay]
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Originally Posted By: yongttay
Robert,

You have not answered my questions. Every one in this forum know that there is only One Jesus, I did not ask you that.


Again, Jesus is God and when God the Father blended Him with our humanity in Mary's womb, Jesus took upon His sinless nature, our sinful fallen nature. It wasn't His, it was ours....

"Christ did in reality unite the offending nature of man with His own sinless nature...." [17MR, 26]
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#108943 - 2007-01-10 18:56:20 Re: 4. The Son: [Re: yongttay]
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Here's another way to look at this mystery. When you became a believer the Holy Spirit (the 3rd person of the God-head) came to live in you. So you have the Holy Spirit and Yongttay in one body, right?

Now does the Holy Spirit (who is in you) have a sinful nature? NO! Does Yongttay? Yes! The Holy Spirit tabernacles in you, He doesn't become you. Likewise you do not become the Holy Spirit. You have a sinful nature and the Holy Spirit, by residing in you, assumes that nature, but it is not His.

Is that clear?

Rob
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#108954 - 2007-01-10 22:41:47 Re: 4. The Son: [Re: Robert]
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Robert:

"So you have the Holy Spirit and Yongttay in one body, right?"

So there are two persons in my body. I am a twinity, right?

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#108966 - 2007-01-11 11:18:46 Re: 4. The Son: [Re: Robert]
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Originally Posted By: Robert


Is that clear?

Rob


Oh help! It is clearly error.

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#108990 - 2007-01-11 17:33:58 Re: 4. The Son: [Re: yongttay]
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Originally Posted By: yongttay
Robert:

"So you have the Holy Spirit and Yongttay in one body, right?"

So there are two persons in my body?


1 Cor 6:19 "do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you...?

John 4:24 "God is spirit"
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#108991 - 2007-01-11 17:35:20 Re: 4. The Son: [Re: David Koot]
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Originally Posted By: David Koot
Originally Posted By: Robert


Is that clear?

Rob


Oh help! It is clearly error.


So you say. Disprove me!
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#108993 - 2007-01-11 17:40:38 Re: 4. The Son: [Re: Robert]
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You have a sinful nature and the Holy Spirit, by residing in you, assumes that nature, but it is not His.


He took upon Himself fallen, suffering human nature, degraded and defiled by sin.....He united humanity with divinity: a divine spirit [Christ] dwelt in a temple of flesh [our humanity]. He united Himself [as God] with the temple [our humanity]. (YI Dec. 20, 1900)

“He [Christ as God] voluntarily assumed human nature. He clothed His divinity with humanity." [7ABC 446]
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#109044 - 2007-01-12 04:15:51 Re: 4. The Son: [Re: Robert]
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Quote Robert:

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Originally Posted By: yongttay
Robert:

"So you have the Holy Spirit and Yongttay in one body, right?"

So there are two persons in my body?


1 Cor 6:19 "do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you...?

John 4:24 "God is spirit"

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I know you have been doing your best to prove your point, but you have not answered my question: Was Mary a surrogate mother or a biological mother of Jesus?


If Mary was a surrogate mother of Jesus, I would have agreed with you that Jesus was never a human and did not have a sinful nature. Being born of a woman, He assumed the sinful human nature. He remained as God or the Son of God and thus had a sinless nature.

If Mary was a biological mother of Jesus, then He was a human and inherited the sinful human nature through Mary. Since He was conceived by the Holy Spirit with no human father, He was known as the Son of God. Having Mary as His biological mother, He was known as the Son of Man.

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#109104 - 2007-01-12 17:15:57 Re: 4. The Son: [Re: yongttay]
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Originally Posted By: yongttay
If Mary was a biological mother of Jesus, then He was a human and inherited the sinful human nature through Mary.
That would make Jesus as sinner!


When the voice of the angel was heard saying, “Thy Father calls thee,” He who had said, “I lay down my life, that I might take it again,” “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up,” came forth from the grave to life that was in Himself. Deity did not die. Humanity died.... [5 SDABC, 1113]

Again, "God is Spirit". Jesus is God. The Bible calls Him the Son of God. That's who He is, period!!!

On the cross Jesus as the Son of God did not die. As EGW says, "Deity did not sink and die; that would have been impossible". What died is our humanity!!!! It wasn't Christ's humanity - no, it was our humanity. Why?

The law requires death to the sinner, so no matter how you look at it our humanity had to die. And it did "in Christ:! It, our humanity, died in the humanity Christ assumed at the incarnation.

More later....

Rob
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