Those "Mr Shubert" posts should be exciting to read...wow. I am not sure how you can believe this; but I am done here in this topic. I have no time to watse on fairy tales without evidence. Atleast you admitted the man is not a Pastor.

Overaged wrote:

“Those "Mr. Shubert" posts should be exciting to read...wow. I am not sure how you can believe this; but I am done here in this topic. I have no time to waste on fairy tales without evidence. At least you admitted the man is not a Pastor.”

Did I give you any indication that I recommended to you the writings of Eugene Shubert. Did you read with care what Lucan wrote? He showed no interest in the material Shubert sent to him! Did you notice that? You need to pay more attention to what you read if you want to preserve your credibility!

As I said; atleast you admit the man is not a Pastor.

Word Web Dictionary re "Pastor" = "A person authorized to conduct religious worship" So now you are going to strive at knats over definition of pastor? get real Nic. The man is a self proclaimed truthmonger and has no authorized credentials or education to be anything close to a Pastor.

Overaged wrote:

“Word Web Dictionary re "Pastor" = "A person authorized to conduct religious worship" So now you are going to strive at knats over definition of pastor? get real Nic. The man is a self proclaimed truthmonger and has no authorized credentials or education to be anything close to a Pastor.”

Who authorized the first Adventist pastor to conduct religious services? Or the first Baptist pastor? Or the first pastor of any religious denomination? Pastor McGill did start a new religious denomination and is recognized by several groups of believers here and in Africa. Said congregations are the ones who authorized him to conduct religious worship.

There is no biblical requirement for a pastor to prove that he has a graduate degree in religion or a doctorate in biblical studies from a university. Some years ago, the Loma Linda University Church hired one of its members for the pastoral work who had no religious degree but who had been extremely successful in his lay work with young people. He served the LLUC very effectively for many years until he accepted a call to another respectable position with the church.

Nic; just because this dude say he is a pastor all of a sudden; it doesnt mean he is one. He is making false claims about himself, and thats why he is in jail.

The Press Enterprise refers to McGill as a pastor, but you claim that he is not a pastor. Guess who will most people believe.

“RELIGION: Tennessee pastor arrested in Loma Linda

A six-year legal battle between the Seventh-day Adventist Church and a Tennessee pastor has landed nearly 2,000 miles away with the pastor sitting in the San Bernardino County Jail.
The Rev. Walter McGill was arrested Friday, July 13, outside Loma Linda University Church of Seventh-day Adventists after someone called police to complain that McGill appeared to be preparing for a protest on church grounds, said San Bernardino County sheriff’s spokeswoman Cindy Bachman. …”

http://www.pe.com/local-news/topics/topi...-loma-linda.ece

I he were not a pastor and if he had no congregation as you have claimed, then tell me why would the General Conference invest so much time in litigating this case?

Oh yes, and I believe everything I read in the newspaper too Nic...thanks for the "evidence."

We don't agree on anything here and you know it. What you keep calling "evidence" is nothing to do with...you repeat as fact, things that are not.

What don't you understand about someone not being a "Pastor" just because they claim to be one?

Peter & Silas were never called pastors, and we are not talking about anything to do with "ordained" here. We are talking about a liar and a fraud whom you defend, yet, who is in jail, or has been in jail for making false/fraudulent claims.

Peter was not a pastor? Jesus ordered Peter to take care of his sheep and you claim that Peter was not a pastor?

“Again Jesus said, "Simon son of John, do you truly love me?" He answered, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you." Jesus said, "Take care of my sheep."” [John 21:16]

He has "ordered" you and I to do the same and we are not called "pastors." You need to face the music here. This guy is not a pastor. When you provide proof that he is, then we can talk

The Bible is clear; not everyone who "feeds His sheep" is a pastor. Infact, most who do this are not.

What you describe here is one of the loosest definitions of "pastor" I have ever seen. certainly, there is no proof you could provide for such a definition - I trust that this is why you feel the need for personal comments about me which have nothing to do with the OP.

Overaged wrote:

“Peter & Silas were never called pastors”

Are you saying that the Apostles were not pastors?

“Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:” [2 Peter 1:1]

Jesus asked Peter to take care of his sheep, and you are saying that he was not a pastor? How do you expect me to believe you?

"Jesus repeated the question: "Simon son of John, do you love me?" "Yes, Lord," Peter said, "you know I love you." "Then take care of my sheep," Jesus said." [John 21:16]

Are other large church organizations like Catholics and the Mormons incorporated? And, How do they protect their stuff?

Good question! There is no attempt, for example, to trademark the name "Baptist." There are thousands of organizations using said name. Here is a list for the U.S.A. only:

United States Alliance of Baptists
American Baptist Association
American Baptist Churches
Association of Reformed Baptist Churches of America
Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists
Baptist Bible Fellowship International
Baptist General Conference
Baptist Missionary Association of America
Central Baptist Association
Christian Unity Baptist Association
Conservative Baptist Association of America
Continental Baptist Churches
Cooperative Baptist Fellowship
Enterprise Association of Regular Baptists
Evangelical Free Baptist Church
Free Will Baptist
Full Gospel Baptist Church Fellowship
Fundamental Baptist Fellowship Association
Fundamental Baptist Fellowship of America
General Association of Baptists
General Association of General Baptists
General Association of Regular Baptist Churches
General Conference of the Evangelical Baptist Church, Inc.
General Six-Principle Baptists
Independent Baptist Church of America
Independent Baptist Fellowship International
Independent Baptist Fellowship of North America
Institutional Missionary Baptist Conference of America
Interstate & Foreign Landmark Missionary Baptist Association
Landmark Baptists
Liberty Baptist Fellowship
Macedonia Baptist World Missions
Mainstream Baptist Network
National Association of Free Will Baptists
National Baptist Convention of America, Inc.
National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc.
National Baptist Evangelical Life and Soul Saving Assembly of the U.S.A.
National Missionary Baptist Convention of America
National Primitive Baptist Convention of the U.S.A.
North American Baptist Conference
Old Regular Baptist
Indian Bottom Association of Old Regular Baptists
Old Time Missionary Baptist
Original Free Will Baptist Convention
Primitive Baptists
Progressive National Baptist Convention
Reformed Baptist
Regular Baptist
Roger Williams Fellowship
Separate Baptist
Separate Baptists in Christ
Seventh Day Baptist General Conference
Southern Baptist Convention
Southwide Baptist Fellowship
Sovereign Grace Baptists
Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarian Baptists
United American Free Will Baptist Church
United American Free Will Baptist Conference
United Baptists
Unregistered Baptist Fellowship
World Baptist Fellowship
Worldwide Baptist New Testament Missions

United States - Regional bodies Association of Fundamental Baptist Churches of Northern California
Association of Independent Baptist Churches of Illinois
Baptist General Association of Virginia
Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma
Baptist General Convention of Texas
Dakota Baptist Association
District of Columbia Baptist Convention
Empire State Fellowship of Regular Baptist Churches
General Baptist State Convention of North Carolina, Inc.
Inter-Mountain Baptist Fellowship
Minnesota Baptist Association
Minnesota Baptist Conference
Mountain States Baptist Fellowship
New England Evangelical Baptist Fellowship
Ohio Valley Association of Christian Baptist Churches of God
Southern Baptists of Texas Convention
Wisconsin Fellowship of Baptist Churches

If Adventists were to follow the example set by Baptists, the number of Adventists in the world might increase significantly.Think about this: Almost 100 Baptist denominations in the U.S. only!