Here is some information regarding ordination of women. It goes into Discovering God's Design for Men and Women, Discover the startling roots of popular thinking in our world today, How did we get here, and where are we heading? Very deep information. If you don't appreciate the SOP as well, it's best you do not read this. There are 4 parts to this. When you get to the web page, you will see all 4 parts where you can click on whichever you want to look at, or click on the entire 4 parts. I hope this can be a blessing for those who will read this with prayerful hearts. :)


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Thanks, will read it.

It's awesome! I have studied this before on this, but I really like the way she put this together. :) Enjoy! :) And happy Sabbath! :)

This is great!

:)

This is even greater!

WOW! I'm up to page 35 and other than 6 mostly partial quotes I see very little EGW.

Please tell me the writer does not equate herself with Ellen White!


She does quote John Piper an avowed 'headshipper'.

It looks very much like false advertising.


Ok, folks. I am not really interested in reading either this lady's opinions, with all due respect, nor John Piper's, so please tell me how many EGW quotes are actually in her series and on what pages. I will then look those up in their contexts minus the editorializing of this lady (and racy pics) and any further influence of John Piper coloring those thoughts of EGW.


Thank you and much appreciated. :)

Thank you for that clarification.

Oh. Did you find more than 6 partial quotes of EGW after the first 35 pages of the author's opinions and her endorsement of John Piper?

Good article! Here's another that some might find useful: http://www.adventistsaffirm.org/article/...en-s-ordination

Thanks Ducky.

Seems like there are many women out there who don't buy the WO arguments.

Imagine that!! :)

Yeah - it's shameful if this is the best they can come up with. And yet look at how many will toot their horns as if this is from God.

Do you even know what the arguments are, Doug? If all anyone reads is what is against WO, how could anyone know if the arguments for are wrong?

And if people have read and disagreed with the arguments for WO, why the, why aren't they posting them and showing what they see as error in the reasoning? (That would be referring to the many bible studies made, not 'feminism', 'Virginia Slims', 'my mother said', 'semen', 'what the issue is', well hopefully I spelled it out enough without having to list all the irrelevant unbiblical thoughts against WO)

Its a lot easier to come up with opinions then to really search and study, let me tell you! Talk about time-consuming! not to mention the time spent in earnest prayer!

Thank you for posting your opinion,it was very interesting and informative.

We have heard your evidence, we have understood your arguments, and we have searched Scripture for ourselves to see if these things were true. When you say women can be elders and pastors, what you are saying is simply not faithful to Scripture; it is not what Scripture teaches.


Go in peace,

oG

Your welcome.

So would you like to pick out studies by the Pro WO and show how you see them in error?

Amen!

Amen!!

My apologies Denise for being my usual blunt self and not being more considerate. I am sorry.

It was good of you to apologize, TQ.


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While I acknowledge the thought the comment is most inappropriate under any circumstances. I will thank you not to repeat it again.

Apologies accepted Teresaq! :)

And a Amen here! Jesus is coming soon! :)

Anyone reviewed to story of Korah's rebellion lately? I think there is application to the issue of women's ordination? (my comment is not directed at anyone in particular--just wondering.)

No, I am studying and reading something else, but that does sound interesting to review that....

Only vaguely if God in reality 'ordained' that only men could hold leadership positions in the church.

But why not knock off the attempted guilting and condemning of those who honestly do not agree with the antis' choice of scriptures and understanding in an attempt to prove their view?

Even Moses had nothing to say to Korah in the way of condemnation.

Nor did Jesus to Satan,
Jude 1:9 KJV
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said , The Lord rebuke thee.

Whom the angels imitate,
2 Peter 2:11 KJV
Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

So if Jesus and the angels are above that sort of thing just why is it we feel at liberty? Is it because we prefer a different 'spirit'? (Keeping in line with JoeMo I apply it to all of us. Way too much self-justified judging and condemning going against those we disagree with. If our arguments can't win the day, then maybe the arguments are wrong.)

It is true that Moses did not rebuke Korah and his following. That was God's job He did it well. It is pretty clear in reading the posts in this discussion that there are those with a pro ordination view. I have always been of the opinion that what I (or anyone else for that matter) believe doesn't matter unless it is in agreement with Scripture! Far be it from me to guilt anyone!

Pastor Stephen Bohr had a recent article on that very topic. It can be read at "Christ or Culture."


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It is a good article ... he spoke quite a lot last night on a tele conference ... he should be here soon ... am anxious to hear him in person.

QR frame:

Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Hoo-ah, hey – lookee here!—the sixth verse into the book of Revelation – and is informing in the past tense that the Xtian has BEEN MADE “kings and priests” already like.

Soooo, I hear the gallery chime, “Tha’s anuther kinda priest – not the kind that we’s been thought Biblical – y’know, a numinous, evanescentatious kinda holier vapor tha's spiritial.”

But, let me note: I see no distinction re a hierarchate of priests in the proffered text – seems they’s alla accounted same… young, old, fat, skinny, bald, hirsute, red, white, black, yellow, in betweens…, whoa!—there’s a pattern - and is readin’ in 21st century lingua franca as chiasmatic, sorta:

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Gal 3:28)

Hmm, wonder if that translates and travels to the Corporate Collective…? Nah, what would our Catholic Brethren do? Is easy: Keep the weaker vessel unlearned, pregnant, and in the kitchen. Hoo-ah! After all, ain not us burlies goin’ tah be bakin’ thems unleavenated krispies every other three months…

Well, I s’pose that to deny the weaker vessel her equality under the sun re things that pertain to the Great Commission and the ministration of the flock,

we simply redefine what a priest is and what the priest does – otherwise, we conflict and conflate the Word of Gd.

Like, hey, ain not nuthin' androgynus 'bout the priesthoodlum.

I wonder if the anti side see man as the intermediary between woman and Jesus?

“The Church is both visible and spiritual, a hierarchical society…” --Catechism of the Catholic Church, The Profession of Faith,

"The Seventh-day Adventist Church is essentially a hierarchical system..." --Bruce Manners, Associate Editor of the Record


… "from both groups [hierarchy and laity] there exist Christian faithful who are consecrated to God in their own special manner and serve the salvific mission of the Church through the profession of the evangelical counsels." --Catechism of the Catholic Church, The Profession of Faith,

"The Seventh-day Adventist Church follows a model of organizational order in the church which is modified from the orders of Roman Catholicism, but it retains the same notions of clerical order which separates the members of the Church into two classes--clergy and laity." –Douglas Devnich, president of the Canadian Union of Seventh-day Adventists, in the Messenger


"'The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops...supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful...’" --Catechism of the Catholic Church, The Profession of Faith,

"Elder Robert H. Pierson is the President of [the] General Conference and, as such the first (or supreme) minister (or pastor) of the Seventh-day Adventist Church." --Court Transcript of United States vs the Seventh-day Adventist Church,


"... the supreme pontiffs....the supreme pastors and teachers of the Church of God, the guardians and interpreters of the patrimony of the faith..." Pope Paul VI, in Sacerdotalis Caelibatus (The Celibacy of the Priest),

"Many church members would say that the power in the Seventh-day Adventist Church resides with the president...He has authority to decide and act....he does have considerable power.... "He's the spiritual leader of the community of faith....He's shepherd, guardian, guide and captain (or head)." --Walter Scragg, President of the South Pacific Division of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, in the Record,


"By force of their vocation, which sets them at the heart of the [Catholic] Church, nuns undertake in a special way to have ‘the mind of the Church (sentire cum Ecclesia)’, with sincere adherence to the Magisterium and unreserved obedience to the Pope." Verbi Sponsa (Instruction on the Contemplative Life and on the Enclosure of Nuns),

"Those who work for the Seventh-day Adventist Church respond to a religious vocation in exactly the same sense as does a cloistered nun." Court Transcript of United States vs the Seventh-day Adventist Church,

…ETC

Hmmm, colours of androgyny?—sorta? So, seems the .Org has sometimes gotten back-frontwards re leadership diktats whilst forgetting the congregational aspects of the early churches (the Churches at Ephesus, the Church at Smyrna, the Church at Phillippi, etc) – which were structural facts - rather than doctrinaire interpretations [supposed] of the opinions/suggestions of Saint Paul.

But, how now brown cow?—does one countenance the fact that the .Org has subsumed and rendered the body of Jesus Christ to that of a creature/entity of the State, that is, Caesar?

Ain not that unBiblical?—in the extreme? Back-frontism?—as WO notions?