In the gift of prophecy given through the ministry and writings of the prophet Ellen White and their authority in matters of faith and practice as it pertains to the SDA Church? If so, are you willing to live by those counsels of hers that cut against your own opinions?

Dennis

Dennis:

Are you willing to come clean as to the agenda that you have behind the question that you have asked.

The SDA Chruch has published its beliefs. They are stated in the Baptisimal Vows, and in the so-called 28. I am an ordained SDA minister, credentialed by the General Conference. What that means is that at the present time the General Conference has judged me to be in compliance with its doctrinal teachings, and the life-style that it expects of its clergy--me.

That should be enough of a statement. It comes from a source outside of myself. You might say that it is "peer-reviewed."

I am pledged to abide by those constraints--those imposed by my credentialing. Yes, if I believed that God, and Scripture called me to something else, I would, I hope, follow that calling. I hope that I would realize the situation, and voluntarly leave. That would be my duty. The duty of every person is to follow God and Scripture, against denominations, if required.

But, there is something that I am not willing to do. I am not willing to acknowledge you as the judge that determines whether or not I am in compliance with: Adventism, the call of God, and the teaching of Scripture. Yes, you will likely tell me what you believe you should tell me what you think. I will listen to you when you tell me such. But, I will not acknowledge you as the judge of me in that area.

If I understand you correctly, you believe that the SDA Chruch is Babylon. Correct me if I am wrong. If that is accurate, you likely believe that I am a part of Babylon, and I think that your belief in regard to the question that you asked of me is evident. Well, you can continue on in your belief, and in what you think of me.

So, as ask you agina, what is your agenda in asking me the question that you asked me?

No I do not believe the SDA Church is Babylon, but without Christ's intervention, we would just as well end up there if certain people among us had their way. I am not judging you on anything, this is an interview with you under the microscope of faith. You have put yourself under the spotlight of the world and I have asked a sincere question, not because I feel a need to be a judge over you, but for you to reflect upon your own calling and belief. So far, you have avoided answering every question I have asked with a clear and contrite answer. Why do you do this? How can you minister with such evasive conversation? Don't you believe SDA's need better than, I think I might believe in some of the gift of prophecy...I believe in Steps to Christ and Desire of Ages, but the Testimonies and Great Controversy are historically inaccurate and judgemental...

This is the satanic opposition to her testimony that she prophecied of, and has much to do with why we are losing ground to the papacy. Will you be a faithful watchman on the walls of Zion? Will you hold up the prophets hands? Will you sound the warning?

Dennis

Dennis:

1) Babylon: I have reviewed a post you made that led me to think that you consider the SDA Church to be Babylon. I find that I did not remember it accurately. I was wrong. I accept your statement that you do not. Thank you for correcting me.

2) Avoided every question: Dennis, you asked me a question regarding the seperation of church and state--a legal question. I told you that the courts had already determined that question. I gave you the title of a book written on that subject, and mentioned the popular name fo the case (Katcoff v. Marsh). I think that was a direct answer to your question with references for proof.

3) Sincere: Yes, I believe that you are sincere, and I have stated so.

4) Judge me [and others]: I can accept that you do not intend to judge me or others. But, you often come accross in that manner.

5) Contrite: Yes, you also come accross in that manner.

6) Evasive: There are times for giving direct answers, and I do give such. There are times for asking people to give people information, and to determins the answer themselves, and I do a lot of that with you. There are times to simply not respond. In this section I have publicly stated that I will respond to every question, but I have not stated that will answer every question. [NOTE: There are time limits. The time may come when I will consider this section to be closed. But, that is not now. I will continue to respond to your questions, Dennis. Part of that reason is because I do appreciate you, and a spirit in which you are asking.]

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So far, you have avoided answering every question I have asked with a clear and contrite answer.

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I have not noticed Greg obfuscating anything.

Why does every question need a contrite answer?

The rest of your "question" is not a question - it is an attack.

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Will you be a faithful watchman on the walls of Zion? Will you hold up the prophets hands? Will you sound the warning?

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I have not noticed Greg deviating from this course. A faithful watchman tells the truth, with all its complexity, not some overly simplified fable.

/Bevin

praise God!

Bretheren,

Just a quick statement. When Paul the Apostle was called to the Gospel Ministry by God he went to Athens and other places all over the Mediteranian. In each place he adapted his gospel to the kinds of hearers or audience he found himself amongst.

Should we not give the same freedom to our Chaplains in other lines outside of the church? Do they, because they are ordained Adventist Ministers, preach the "Seven Last Plagues" in every sermon or adress? - common sense would say no. Does this make them compromisers or not following counsel? - certainly not! Was Paul a compromiser because he didn't come out firing with a sermon on "the Pitfalls of Paganism" in Athens? - no he was not!

I Imagine each setting would dictate the kind of message that the Chaplain found himself in. If an Adventist setting then of course the message expexted would be along doctrinal lines. If in a setting of war or naval deployment, it would be innapropriate and foolish to begin espousing our particular beliefs. Some pastors insensitively do this at funerals and it has had a negative response. Circumstances demand particular messages.

We are also told, not to make "hard thrusts against the Catholics" - is EGW compromising? Shouldn't she/we be throwing out our stuff at these people as quickly and as fast as possible? Only a fool would answer yes.

Thiss topic is a "no brainer" - common sense can see that Chaplains in a worldly context need to tailor their messages very carefully so as not to arouse hostility unnessicarily.

Cheers,

Danny

PS. What does gay4jesus mean?

"Gay4Jesus" is simply the penname of one who posts here.

He is probably best able to tell you (in a private message?) what it means to him.